Never had heard of a São Jorge in Nordeste, have to ask a friend from there about it when I see him
On Monday, 16 December 2013 04:33:34 UTC-5, João Ventura wrote: > > Hi Cheri, > > Actually you're right, they are the ones confused. But to add to the > confusion, here's the list of official names of those freguesias, listing > municipality and then the freguesia: > > Santa Maria island (only 1): > Vila do Porto: Vila do Porto (not up in CCA yet) > > Sao Miguel island (6 Matriz') > Lagoa: Santa Cruz (not the same as CCA: Matriz de Santa Cruz) > Nordeste: Nordeste (not the same as CCA: São Jorge) > Ponta Delgada: São Sebastião (not the same as CCA: Matriz de São Sebastião > -- however, until 2003 the freguesia's official name was Matriz (Ponta > Delgada) - if not for the above, I'd believe they were using a 10y+ old > table of freguesias). > Povoação: Povoação (not the same as CCA: Matriz da Mãe de Deus) > Ribeira Grande: Matriz (not up in CCA yet) > Vila Franca do Campo: São Miguel Arcanjo (not up in CCA yet) > > Terceira island (2 Matriz') > Angra do Heroismo: Sé (same as CCA) > Praia da Vitoria: Santa Cruz (same as CCA) > > Graciosa island (only 1) > Santa Cruz da Graciosa: Santa Cruz da Graciosa (not up in CCA yet) > > Sao Jorge island (2 Matriz') > Calheta: Calheta (same as CCA) > Velas: Velas (same as CCA) > > Faial island (1 Matriz) > Horta: Matriz (same as CCA) > > Pico island (3 Matriz') > Lajes do Pico: Lajes do Pico (same as CCA) > Madalena: Madalena (same as CCA) > São Roque do Pico: São Roque do Pico (same as CCA) > > Flores island (2 Matriz') > Lajes das Flores: Lajes das Flores (same as CCA) > Santa Cruz das Flores: Santa Cruz das Flores (same as CCA) > > Corvo island > Vila do Corvo: Vila do Corvo (same as CCA) > > For the 7 islands that are up, the "They're using the official name of the > freguesia" explanation holds up for 6 islands. They're terribly confused > about São Miguel aparently. > > Regards, > > João C. Ventura > > On Monday, December 16, 2013 1:24:46 AM UTC+1, Cheri Mello wrote: >> >> Joao C. Ventura said: >> <<They're not inconsistent. The problem is yours, actually: you're >> confusing the church parish with the freguesia civil (translated roughly as >> civil parish). The CCA site uses the official name of the freguesia.. Which >> in most cases, as they were created in 1911 as one-to-one mapping of the >> church parishes, used the same name of the catholic parish.. In some cases >> not, as in this Matriz / São Sebastião case.>> >> >> OK, let me try to straighten myself out. If I'm not doing this right, >> then feel free to straighten me out! :) They are calling some of these >> places "Matriz." >> >> Santa Maria island (only 1): >> Vila do Porto >> The Matriz is Nossa Senhora da Assuncao in Vila do Porto. >> CCA not up yet. >> >> Sao Miguel island (6 Matriz') >> Lagoa >> The Matriz is Santa Cruz in Lagoa. >> The CCA listing says Matriz de Santa Cruz >> Nordeste >> The Matriz is Sao Jorge in Nordeste >> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >> Ponta Delgada >> The Matriz is Sao Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada >> The CCA listing says Matriz de Sao Sebastiao >> Povoacao >> The Matriz is Nossa Senhora Mae de Deus in Povoacao >> The CCA listing says Matriz de Mae de Deus >> Ribeira Grande >> The Matriz is Nossa Senhora da Estrela in Ribeira Grande >> CCA not up yet. >> Vila Franca do Campo >> The Matriz is Sao Miguel Arcanjo in Vila Franca do Campo >> CCA not up yet. >> >> Terceira island (2 Matriz') >> Angra do Heroismo >> Santa Se do Salvador or Sao Salvador which is really the Diocese seat in >> Angra do Heroismo. So I guess technically there is no Matriz here. >> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz or a Diocese or a cathedral. >> >> Praia da Vitoria >> The Matriz is Santa Cruz in Praia da Vitoria >> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >> >> Graciosa island (only 1) >> The Matriz is Santa Cruz in Santa Cruz >> CCA not up yet >> >> Sao Jorge island (2 Matriz') >> Calheta >> The Matriz Santa Catarina in Calheta. >> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >> >> Velas >> The Matriz is Sao Jorge in Velas >> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >> >> Faial island (1 Matriz) >> The Matriz is Sao Salvador in Horta >> The CCA listing says Matriz da Horta >> >> >> Pico island (3 Matriz') >> Lajes (do Pico) >> The Matriz is Santissima Trindade in Lajes >> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >> Madalena >> The Matriz is Santa Maria Madalena in Madalena >> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >> Sao Roque >> The Matriz is Sao Roque in Sao Roque >> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >> >> Flores island (2 Matriz') >> Lajes (do Flores) >> The Matriz is Nossa Senhora do Rosario in Lajes >> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >> Santa Cruz (das Flores) >> The Matriz is Nossa Senhora da Conceicao in Santa Cruz >> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >> >> Corvo island >> There's only 1 church there. Nossa Senhora dos Milagres in Vila Nova. I >> don't think it holds Matriz status. The CCA says nothing about it either. >> >> OK, so why does the CCA list Lagoa, Ponta Delgada, Povoacao, and Faial >> under "M" for Matriz but then lists Nordeste (Sao Jorge), Angra (Sao >> Salvador), Praia (Santa Cruz), Calheta (Santa Catarina), Velas (Sao Jorge), >> Lajes do Pico (Santissima Trindade), Santa Maria Madalena, Sao Roque (both >> on Pico), and N.S. do Rosario and N.S. da Conceicao (both on Flores) under >> the names instead of Matriz? >> >> OK, where am I confused? Straighten me out here :) To me, it looks like >> the CCA is confused. Well, I know that they are not. This project had >> been under different directors so the uploading of the records may have >> changed with the directors. If most concelhos have a Matriz, why aren't >> they putting those as Matriz de _____ on all the concelhos that have an >> official Matriz? Or putting the name (whether civil or ecclesiastical - >> but I think they use civil). Technically, isn't "Matriz" an ecclesiastical >> thing? >> Thanks! >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das >> Tainhas, Achada >> > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
