Never had heard of a São Jorge in Nordeste, have to ask a friend from there about it when I see him
On Monday, 16 December 2013 04:33:34 UTC-5, João Ventura wrote: > > Hi Cheri, > > Actually you're right, they are the ones confused. But to add to the > confusion, here's the list of official names of those freguesias, listing > municipality and then the freguesia: > > Santa Maria island (only 1): > Vila do Porto: Vila do Porto (not up in CCA yet) > > Sao Miguel island (6 Matriz') > Lagoa: Santa Cruz (not the same as CCA: Matriz de Santa Cruz) > Nordeste: Nordeste (not the same as CCA: São Jorge) > Ponta Delgada: São Sebastião (not the same as CCA: Matriz de São Sebastião > -- however, until 2003 the freguesia's official name was Matriz (Ponta > Delgada) - if not for the above, I'd believe they were using a 10y+ old > table of freguesias). > Povoação: Povoação (not the same as CCA: Matriz da Mãe de Deus) > Ribeira Grande: Matriz (not up in CCA yet) > Vila Franca do Campo: São Miguel Arcanjo (not up in CCA yet) > > Terceira island (2 Matriz') > Angra do Heroismo: Sé (same as CCA) > Praia da Vitoria: Santa Cruz (same as CCA) > > Graciosa island (only 1) > Santa Cruz da Graciosa: Santa Cruz da Graciosa (not up in CCA yet) > > Sao Jorge island (2 Matriz') > Calheta: Calheta (same as CCA) > Velas: Velas (same as CCA) > > Faial island (1 Matriz) > Horta: Matriz (same as CCA) > > Pico island (3 Matriz') > Lajes do Pico: Lajes do Pico (same as CCA) > Madalena: Madalena (same as CCA) > São Roque do Pico: São Roque do Pico (same as CCA) > > Flores island (2 Matriz') > Lajes das Flores: Lajes das Flores (same as CCA) > Santa Cruz das Flores: Santa Cruz das Flores (same as CCA) > > Corvo island > Vila do Corvo: Vila do Corvo (same as CCA) > > For the 7 islands that are up, the "They're using the official name of the > freguesia" explanation holds up for 6 islands. They're terribly confused > about São Miguel aparently. > > Regards, > > João C. Ventura > > On Monday, December 16, 2013 1:24:46 AM UTC+1, Cheri Mello wrote: >> >> Joao C. Ventura said: >> <<They're not inconsistent. The problem is yours, actually: you're >> confusing the church parish with the freguesia civil (translated roughly as >> civil parish). The CCA site uses the official name of the freguesia.. Which >> in most cases, as they were created in 1911 as one-to-one mapping of the >> church parishes, used the same name of the catholic parish.. In some cases >> not, as in this Matriz / São Sebastião case.>> >> >> OK, let me try to straighten myself out. If I'm not doing this right, >> then feel free to straighten me out! :) They are calling some of these >> places "Matriz." >> >> Santa Maria island (only 1): >> Vila do Porto >> The Matriz is Nossa Senhora da Assuncao in Vila do Porto. >> CCA not up yet. >> >> Sao Miguel island (6 Matriz') >> Lagoa >> The Matriz is Santa Cruz in Lagoa. >> The CCA listing says Matriz de Santa Cruz >> Nordeste >> The Matriz is Sao Jorge in Nordeste >> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >> Ponta Delgada >> The Matriz is Sao Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada >> The CCA listing says Matriz de Sao Sebastiao >> Povoacao >> The Matriz is Nossa Senhora Mae de Deus in Povoacao >> The CCA listing says Matriz de Mae de Deus >> Ribeira Grande >> The Matriz is Nossa Senhora da Estrela in Ribeira Grande >> CCA not up yet. >> Vila Franca do Campo >> The Matriz is Sao Miguel Arcanjo in Vila Franca do Campo >> CCA not up yet. >> >> Terceira island (2 Matriz') >> Angra do Heroismo >> Santa Se do Salvador or Sao Salvador which is really the Diocese seat in >> Angra do Heroismo. So I guess technically there is no Matriz here. >> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz or a Diocese or a cathedral. >> >> Praia da Vitoria >> The Matriz is Santa Cruz in Praia da Vitoria >> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >> >> Graciosa island (only 1) >> The Matriz is Santa Cruz in Santa Cruz >> CCA not up yet >> >> Sao Jorge island (2 Matriz') >> Calheta >> The Matriz Santa Catarina in Calheta. >> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >> >> Velas >> The Matriz is Sao Jorge in Velas >> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >> >> Faial island (1 Matriz) >> The Matriz is Sao Salvador in Horta >> The CCA listing says Matriz da Horta >> >> >> Pico island (3 Matriz') >> Lajes (do Pico) >> The Matriz is Santissima Trindade in Lajes >> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >> Madalena >> The Matriz is Santa Maria Madalena in Madalena >> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >> Sao Roque >> The Matriz is Sao Roque in Sao Roque >> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >> >> Flores island (2 Matriz') >> Lajes (do Flores) >> The Matriz is Nossa Senhora do Rosario in Lajes >> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >> Santa Cruz (das Flores) >> The Matriz is Nossa Senhora da Conceicao in Santa Cruz >> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >> >> Corvo island >> There's only 1 church there. Nossa Senhora dos Milagres in Vila Nova. I >> don't think it holds Matriz status. The CCA says nothing about it either. >> >> OK, so why does the CCA list Lagoa, Ponta Delgada, Povoacao, and Faial >> under "M" for Matriz but then lists Nordeste (Sao Jorge), Angra (Sao >> Salvador), Praia (Santa Cruz), Calheta (Santa Catarina), Velas (Sao Jorge), >> Lajes do Pico (Santissima Trindade), Santa Maria Madalena, Sao Roque (both >> on Pico), and N.S. do Rosario and N.S. da Conceicao (both on Flores) under >> the names instead of Matriz? >> >> OK, where am I confused? Straighten me out here :) To me, it looks like >> the CCA is confused. Well, I know that they are not. This project had >> been under different directors so the uploading of the records may have >> changed with the directors. If most concelhos have a Matriz, why aren't >> they putting those as Matriz de _____ on all the concelhos that have an >> official Matriz? Or putting the name (whether civil or ecclesiastical - >> but I think they use civil). Technically, isn't "Matriz" an ecclesiastical >> thing? >> Thanks! >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das >> Tainhas, Achada >> > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
