Olá, José It's a known fact that the patron saint of the Nordeste parish is São Jorge: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordeste_(freguesia). Look for 'Orago' on the right side panel of the Wiki page.
Cumprimentos, João C. Ventura On Monday, December 16, 2013 2:26:05 PM UTC+1, Jose A Medeiros wrote: > > Never had heard of a São Jorge in Nordeste, have to ask a friend from > there about it when I see him > > On Monday, 16 December 2013 04:33:34 UTC-5, João Ventura wrote: >> >> Hi Cheri, >> >> Actually you're right, they are the ones confused. But to add to the >> confusion, here's the list of official names of those freguesias, listing >> municipality and then the freguesia: >> >> Santa Maria island (only 1): >> Vila do Porto: Vila do Porto (not up in CCA yet) >> >> Sao Miguel island (6 Matriz') >> Lagoa: Santa Cruz (not the same as CCA: Matriz de Santa Cruz) >> Nordeste: Nordeste (not the same as CCA: São Jorge) >> Ponta Delgada: São Sebastião (not the same as CCA: Matriz de São >> Sebastião -- however, until 2003 the freguesia's official name was Matriz >> (Ponta Delgada) - if not for the above, I'd believe they were using a 10y+ >> old table of freguesias). >> Povoação: Povoação (not the same as CCA: Matriz da Mãe de Deus) >> Ribeira Grande: Matriz (not up in CCA yet) >> Vila Franca do Campo: São Miguel Arcanjo (not up in CCA yet) >> >> Terceira island (2 Matriz') >> Angra do Heroismo: Sé (same as CCA) >> Praia da Vitoria: Santa Cruz (same as CCA) >> >> Graciosa island (only 1) >> Santa Cruz da Graciosa: Santa Cruz da Graciosa (not up in CCA yet) >> >> Sao Jorge island (2 Matriz') >> Calheta: Calheta (same as CCA) >> Velas: Velas (same as CCA) >> >> Faial island (1 Matriz) >> Horta: Matriz (same as CCA) >> >> Pico island (3 Matriz') >> Lajes do Pico: Lajes do Pico (same as CCA) >> Madalena: Madalena (same as CCA) >> São Roque do Pico: São Roque do Pico (same as CCA) >> >> Flores island (2 Matriz') >> Lajes das Flores: Lajes das Flores (same as CCA) >> Santa Cruz das Flores: Santa Cruz das Flores (same as CCA) >> >> Corvo island >> Vila do Corvo: Vila do Corvo (same as CCA) >> >> For the 7 islands that are up, the "They're using the official name of >> the freguesia" explanation holds up for 6 islands. They're terribly >> confused about São Miguel aparently. >> >> Regards, >> >> João C. Ventura >> >> On Monday, December 16, 2013 1:24:46 AM UTC+1, Cheri Mello wrote: >>> >>> Joao C. Ventura said: >>> <<They're not inconsistent. The problem is yours, actually: you're >>> confusing the church parish with the freguesia civil (translated roughly as >>> civil parish). The CCA site uses the official name of the freguesia.. Which >>> in most cases, as they were created in 1911 as one-to-one mapping of the >>> church parishes, used the same name of the catholic parish.. In some cases >>> not, as in this Matriz / São Sebastião case.>> >>> >>> OK, let me try to straighten myself out. If I'm not doing this right, >>> then feel free to straighten me out! :) They are calling some of these >>> places "Matriz." >>> >>> Santa Maria island (only 1): >>> Vila do Porto >>> The Matriz is Nossa Senhora da Assuncao in Vila do Porto. >>> CCA not up yet. >>> >>> Sao Miguel island (6 Matriz') >>> Lagoa >>> The Matriz is Santa Cruz in Lagoa. >>> The CCA listing says Matriz de Santa Cruz >>> Nordeste >>> The Matriz is Sao Jorge in Nordeste >>> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >>> Ponta Delgada >>> The Matriz is Sao Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada >>> The CCA listing says Matriz de Sao Sebastiao >>> Povoacao >>> The Matriz is Nossa Senhora Mae de Deus in Povoacao >>> The CCA listing says Matriz de Mae de Deus >>> Ribeira Grande >>> The Matriz is Nossa Senhora da Estrela in Ribeira Grande >>> CCA not up yet. >>> Vila Franca do Campo >>> The Matriz is Sao Miguel Arcanjo in Vila Franca do Campo >>> CCA not up yet. >>> >>> Terceira island (2 Matriz') >>> Angra do Heroismo >>> Santa Se do Salvador or Sao Salvador which is really the Diocese seat in >>> Angra do Heroismo. So I guess technically there is no Matriz here. >>> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz or a Diocese or a cathedral. >>> >>> Praia da Vitoria >>> The Matriz is Santa Cruz in Praia da Vitoria >>> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >>> >>> Graciosa island (only 1) >>> The Matriz is Santa Cruz in Santa Cruz >>> CCA not up yet >>> >>> Sao Jorge island (2 Matriz') >>> Calheta >>> The Matriz Santa Catarina in Calheta. >>> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >>> >>> Velas >>> The Matriz is Sao Jorge in Velas >>> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >>> >>> Faial island (1 Matriz) >>> The Matriz is Sao Salvador in Horta >>> The CCA listing says Matriz da Horta >>> >>> >>> Pico island (3 Matriz') >>> Lajes (do Pico) >>> The Matriz is Santissima Trindade in Lajes >>> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >>> Madalena >>> The Matriz is Santa Maria Madalena in Madalena >>> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >>> Sao Roque >>> The Matriz is Sao Roque in Sao Roque >>> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >>> >>> Flores island (2 Matriz') >>> Lajes (do Flores) >>> The Matriz is Nossa Senhora do Rosario in Lajes >>> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >>> Santa Cruz (das Flores) >>> The Matriz is Nossa Senhora da Conceicao in Santa Cruz >>> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >>> >>> Corvo island >>> There's only 1 church there. Nossa Senhora dos Milagres in Vila Nova. >>> I don't think it holds Matriz status. The CCA says nothing about it either. >>> >>> OK, so why does the CCA list Lagoa, Ponta Delgada, Povoacao, and Faial >>> under "M" for Matriz but then lists Nordeste (Sao Jorge), Angra (Sao >>> Salvador), Praia (Santa Cruz), Calheta (Santa Catarina), Velas (Sao Jorge), >>> Lajes do Pico (Santissima Trindade), Santa Maria Madalena, Sao Roque (both >>> on Pico), and N.S. do Rosario and N.S. da Conceicao (both on Flores) under >>> the names instead of Matriz? >>> >>> OK, where am I confused? Straighten me out here :) To me, it looks like >>> the CCA is confused. Well, I know that they are not. This project had >>> been under different directors so the uploading of the records may have >>> changed with the directors. If most concelhos have a Matriz, why aren't >>> they putting those as Matriz de _____ on all the concelhos that have an >>> official Matriz? Or putting the name (whether civil or ecclesiastical - >>> but I think they use civil). Technically, isn't "Matriz" an ecclesiastical >>> thing? >>> Thanks! >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das >>> Tainhas, Achada >>> >> -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
