Hi Maria, If you take another look at the marriage record you will note Jacinto lives in Matriz of S. Sebastiao. They married in S. Jose because her parents were living there.
When I looked through 1869 S. Sebastiao's records I found your Clemente. Now it's a matter of you finding the rest in this Parish. Click link: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1865-1869/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1865-1869_item1/P380.html Regarding Ancestry the attachments show on the previous email I sent you, I can resend it if you wish. The attachments are in jpeg form and you should be able to download them safely from the email. Best, Margaret On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 6:57 AM, Maria Lima <[email protected]> wrote: > Margaret: thank you for taking to e to help me find these ancestors. > > I started questioning if these ancestors themselves made a mistake on > their year of birth. I've started looking before and after the years they > gave as their birth year. I signed up again for Ancestry a week ago and > have been using it in addition to family search and the CCA. > > I'm still puzzled how you found the mother and 3 boys. I didn't see the > attachment but I, going to try to find it. I spent pretty much all day > yesterday trying to find and verify Manuel on the Sao Jose freguesia. No > luck. Tried Sao Sebastao and Faja de Cima also but no luck. It was hard > to accomplish stuff around the house because I was so driven to find this > information. > > I had already looked for the older brothers, Clemente and Domingo's in Sao > Jose. Clement's birth was Feb 9, 1869 andDomingo's was feb 8, 1874. I > think when I find one of them- I hope I'll find the others in the same > location. I was really surprised when you found their parents married in > the Sao Jose parish because I had looked for the two older boys' baptisms > several times to no avail. I didn't know about Maria , and now Manuel that > you found traveling with Emilia. > > I thought the marriage record states that. Emilia's parents were from Sao > Jorge island, they lived on Rua Cappas in the parish of Sao Jose, Ponta > Delgada. So I'm still going to look to see if Emilia went back to her > mother's parish in St George, to baptize the children. I'm reaching here, > but I dont know what explanation there could be for the missing baptismal > records. > > You have truly been an angel in helping me and imparting your knowledge. > Thank you. > > P S. If it's convenient, could you send me the link for their sailing. > > It appears that the older son, Clemente, (if that's his real name, sailed > before them based on his census Data. I found him under Clement Marshall, > b 1869, married to Theodora (Dora) Ferreira and I was amazed. To learn his > first marriage was to Annie Lindgren who died. She was widowed from HER > first husband and His second wife, Dora, had been married before to > George Reynolds and HE died. So I got a lot on Clem"s life. I know about > him from my mother in law. She spoke tenderly of her Uncle Clem. Have a > good Sunday. > > Maria Elena > > On Jan 11, 2014, at 5:51 PM, Margaret Vicente <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Maria, I had looked through S. Jose and neighbouring towns for your > Domingos and it bothered me there was nothing to be found. The light came > on when John Roias (JR) asked you if you had the right dates. I then went > back to ancestry (have a temp membership) and tried to find Domingos > unsuccessfully. I then switched to his Mom, Emilia and bingo, there they > were. That put me back on track with Emilia's age bracket and when I went > back to S. Jose there it was, Jacinto and Emilia's marriage record. You > should now be able to find Domingos and the other children. > > Passports would have been a big help but there are missing records for the > years 1883 to 1893. > > I don't think you were doing anything wrong I think it is just a matter of > not giving up and look at it from different angles and start over. > Ancestry has been a great help for me. I recently found my GGF who I had > no idea had been in the USA at all. I almost fell off my chair but these > are the little gold nuggets of research work. > > According to the Ancestry's list of passengers the date is 1886, document > attached for your back up as well. # 72, Emilia followed by the children. > > You are welcome. > > Margaret Vicente > > > On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 12:31 AM, Maria Lima <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Margaret- you are amazing!!!!!!! I am overjoyed. I can't thank you >> enough. This looks like the right couple. It answers a question I had: >> on Emilia's death certificate it said her maiden name was Machado and I >> had wondered if her husband was Machado and she also was Machado-I thought >> maybe they were cousins. Now I see jacinto's name was Moniz not Machado and >> that his bride, Emilia was a Machado. For some reason Domingo's always >> signed as Moniz Machado whereas his brother Clem changed his name to >> Marshall but used the middle initial M. Their descendants use the name >> Machado. They're going to be surprised when they learn the paternal name >> was Moniz.. >> >> I was just getting ready to turn in for tonight and then I saw yr >> email- I'm just so thrilled. I had to wake up my husband to give him this >> news!! Kind of shout Hallelujah?!!! They ARE HIS gr gr grandparents. I >> didn't find their names on ships manifest on Ancestry. Did you find their >> immigration info on the CCA passports? When I looked it skipped the year >> 1885. I'd like to see that and copy it. I've looked for so long and here >> you found it. (I feel sort of dumb that I didn't see it) but am so >> grateful to you. >> >> Also, now you've given me the name of the other brother I needed to >> find. I will research their births again this time knowing they should be >> in Sao Jose for sure. My mother in law had said there were 5 children >> born to this couple 1 was a girl and I often wondered if I heard her right >> or if she mistakenly told me that so I was beginning to doubting myself. >> Still, I knew she was pretty smart lady, so I kept looking for the birth >> of Domingo's in order to find the parents and then the children. But you >> looked for the parents - Was I doing that wrong? >> >> In the 1900 Census Domingo's said he immigrated in 1884- so he was off by >> a year. >> >> I'm so grateful to you Margaret. Thanks for sending the link. >> >> On Friday, January 10, 2014, Margaret Vicente wrote: >> >>> Hi Maria, >>> >>> Found the record you're looking for in S. Jose, Ponta Delgada. >>> >>> >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1860-1869/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1860-1869_item1/P185.html >>> >>> Also, Emilia, age 37 arrived in Boston July 7 1886 with her children: >>> Domingos, 12 Maria, 9 and Manuel 5. >>> >>> Margaret >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Maria Lima <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>> Hi John and Margaret- >>> >>> Thank you for helping me try to find the elusive Domingo's Moniz Machado >>> Birth info. Although I have basic information for him, I can't go back any >>> further than his parents because I don't know which freguesias in ponta >>> Delgada they were from and up to now i haven't found them. >>> >>> John, I will study the link you sent again in more in depth because the >>> dates are off but the Names are similar. >>> >>> I received Domingos' birthdate from his daughter who was my mother in >>> law. From census records, it appears both Domingo's and his brother >>> Clement, immigrated in different years. Domingo's immigrated in 1885 at >>> age 11. Their parents were Jacinto Machado and Emilia Moniz. I will >>> look Again through the Sao Jose baptisms in search of any one with those >>> parents. They also had a sister named Maria. (She married a Peter F >>> Silva in Boston and had a daughter named Beatrice (Pimentel) born in 1900. ) >>> >>> Margaret, I knew Domingo's had traveled to the Azores and visited his >>> brother in law, Manoel Almeida. Domingo's' wife was Maria Georgina >>> d'Almeida and they married in Boston. When he traveled to see that >>> relative he was already a dentist and she was expecting a baby and didn't >>> travel with him. He sent her a stash of postcards sometimes sending 2 or 3 >>> a day. He mentions seeing a relative named Captain Mello. I also have >>> Maria Georgina's mother's passport which shows Maria Georgina's parents >>> were from the Sao Jose parish of Ponta Delgada. >>> >>> To me there is some mystery that I may never solve with Domingo's >>> because my mother in law always told us he was raised by the Jesuits. >>> Apparently, he had a "guardian angel" who helped him get an education. >>> He was able to get into Tufts University and become a dentist. I have his >>> graduation picture and certificate. He was married during the time he >>> was in dental school. >>> >>> But I just could not find his birthplace in order to trace the family. >>> I also tried learning which Jesuits in the Boston area would have raised >>> him. >>> >>> Thank you so much for helping me- >>> >>> >>> Maria Elena >>> >>> On Jan 5, 2014, at 10:59 AM, JR <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Are you sure about the birth date for Domingos? And where did you get >>> the birthdate information? I ask because I found this, which looks like >>> your ancestors. >>> >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1880-1889/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1880-1889_item1/P191.html >>> >>> JR (John Roias) >>> >>> On Friday, January 3, 2014 12:43:28 PM UTC-5, Maria wrote: >>> >>> I have an ancestor who is a mystery in that I've searched all Sao Miguel >>> records and can't find him in the his birth year. His name was Domingo's >>> Moniz Machado; nor his brother "Clem". Must be Clemente (?) Moniz Machado. >>> >>> Their parents were Jacinto Machado and mother was Emilia Moniz Machado. >>> >>> >>> Thanks to this group for posting the link for the Portuguese newspapers >>> housed at the Dartmouth library. I stumbled on their sister, Maria M >>> "Marshall" sister of Clemente Machado. I knew they had a sister but had no >>> idea how to find her until I could find the parents. It was exciting to >>> actually find her. >>> >>> For years I've been searching for the 2 brothers to take the line back. >>> I think this is a dead end but I'm not giving up. Every time a new parish >>> was posted on the CCA, I thought Aha! This is going to be the one. But >>> sadly it was not. Now I'm going to go through each parish again to the >>> years before and after their supposed birth years. >>> >>> Are there any other records from Sao Miguel that are not on the CCA? >>> Any ideas where I might find where in Sao Miguel they were from? All his >>> document just say Sao Miguel. Domingo's birthdate is 8 February 1874; >>> Clemente born 9 Feb 1869 and I only have the death date of the sister, >>> Maria M Marshall who died 8 August 1954. All three died in Boston. >>> >>> Any ideas? 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