Sorry Aaron, I too have been busy with a couple of things and now having the chance to catch up. My husband descends of Joao and Engracia's daughter Genoveva. Her marriage link below. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-ACHADA-C-1758-1787/SMG-ND-ACHADA-C-1758-1787_item1/P85.html
Genoveva da Silva married Francisco Raposo. They had Jeronima Maria da Silva who married Manuel Carreiro. They had Jose Antonio da Silva Carreiro Lazaro who married Maria Candida da Rocha. They had Manuel Carreiro Lazaro da Silva who married Rosa Vitoria de Pimentel, his maternal great-grandparents Nordeste region. His paternal line, Vicente, is from Ponta Delgada. According to my personal findings during a certain timeline women were carrying the surnames of their Mothers, and later on there was a switch and the records show them bearing their Father's surname instead. It is obvious from their obits the Arruda to be her Father's surname and the Maria Vieira listed above might be her sister. Most families would choose Godparents from within their immediate family. I will check this further to see if we can connect the dots. JR (John Roias) has given a link worth exploring. Early records unfortunately are very limited and obits don't give reasons for the deaths. When you see records like these just a couple of days from each other, she died on the first and he died on the 3rd day, leads me to believe it could have been something contagious, in those days, measles and chicken pocks or a certain strain of the flu would be enough to cause death. If and when I may find anything more conclusive I will email. On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 4:23 AM, Aaron Pereira <[email protected]>wrote: > > Hello Mara. > > Sorry for the late reply, I sleep in the day and work a strange mid shift, > so all of my posts are usually in the late night to early morning hours. > That's very interesting because I was actually going to ask you about your > surname, Vicente. I have family in Hawaii with the surname Vicente. > Francisco de Medeiros Jardim and Maria Vicente's daughter, Margaret Jardim > (later Jardin) married a Pereira.(1924). But, It does seem that your > husband and I do share some commonality. Your husband is a descendent of > one of Joao and Engracia's children? Which child, if you don't mind? > I'm from his son Francisco. Btw, I also have Barbara de Sousa and Manuel > in my family tree. > > Also, I wanted to run something by you and get your opinion. I look at > Joao da Silva's marriage to Engracia (1759) and I notice that Manuel da > Sylva and Josepha are alive, but in in 1766, Manuel's daughter, Maria da > Silva's marriage, it states that both Manuel and Josepha have passed on. > So, I look in the obitos, between 1760 and 1766, and this is what I > find...they're listings are next to each other, (1761) the same month and > the same year, I can't tell the day, but it looks pretty close if not a few > days apart. But, Josepha is listed as Josepha de Arruda. So, I check a > few baptism records for the children of Manuel and Josepha, and there is a > Francisco de Arruda listed in the bottom part, under testamentos. He is > listed as one of the fathers of a godparent, Maria Vieira. > > here is Josepha and Manuels death records, Josepha is very bottom, left > side of page, and Manuel is very top, right side of page. > > http://goo.gl/4lGAKe > > here is the other Joseph's baptism, there were two children named Joseph > > http://goo.gl/DCA0W6 > > and here is Maria's baptism > http://goo.gl/7fHypo > > one of the godparents is Maria Vieira, daughter of Francisco de Arruda. > > I'm very curious as to Manuel's and Josepha's cause of death. I can't > read portuguese,very well, but I'm learning. I use google translate for > the profession of one of my ancestors (Campónio) and it tells me my > ancestor was a "redneck" haha, I though that was funny. I find it means a > peasant or farmer. That makes sense because my family farmed cotton and > other crops for generations > > I also wanted to say thanks to you and others who helped clarify Josepha's > surname, Vieira > > > > On Sunday, February 23, 2014 6:07:56 AM UTC-8, Mara wrote: > >> Aaron, >> >> I took a look at my tree and guess what Manuel da Silva and Josefa >> Breysa? are direct ancestor's of my husband through their son Joao da Silva >> married to Engracia de Sousa, daughter of Manuel Furtado Rebelo and Barbara >> de Sousa. Manuel and Josefa are the end of this line. >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 3:32 AM, Aaron Pereira <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Thanks Cheri and Mara. I will try to find their death records, maybe >>> that will give me a little more info. I won't be able to go to Salt Lake, >>> too much work. I will plan to go next year. My goal for this is year is >>> to travel to the Azores. >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, February 22, 2014 9:40:54 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote: >>>> >>>> Aaron P, >>>> >>>> It's Engracia. They make the handwritten C so big that it looks like an >>>> L or F. >>>> >>>> Back to the marriage. If it's there, it's a partial fragment and >>>> neither Canto (in the 1880s) or Rodrigo Rodrigues (in 1929) could read it. >>>> I have the handwritten copy for the Achada marriages. None of the Manuel >>>> Silvas matched (if the bride's name didn't crumble away). I looked at all >>>> the brides names, and there wasn't a single Josepha/Josefa. There was a >>>> Manuel ____ or two and the bride's name was gone. I did type the index up >>>> in an Excel spreadsheet. >>>> >>>> If you're coming to Salt Lake for the Conference in April, I will bring >>>> the handwritten index with me. >>>> >>>> Cheri Mello >>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das >>>> Tainhas, Achada >>>> >>> -- >>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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