João, Well said, and well ended. Tish
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 1:10 AM, João Ventura <j...@venturas.org> wrote: > Wow, > > This is the classical definition of a flame war.. Usually no one wins, and > everyone loses. So I'd invite everyone to step back, count to 10, and > really decide if they want to kindle this fire. > > I've only good things to say about Cheri, and this list really works, so I > can only praise what steps she felt she needed to take over the years. > > From Doug, I've had a few private conversations, but as my family doesn't > have many ancestors in Pico or Terceira, frankly it never bothered me, that > he doesn't share back. I do know that Doug will at some point try to sell > his book on Pico and Terceira, so I understand why he doesn't want to do > it. Personally, I do not believe in walled gardens: information is out > there, and should be shared back in the same spirit it was shared by the > CCA and the LDS church. What I don't understand is the hostility towards > his gift. Maybe it's a Trojan horse, but maybe it isn't. Knowing that he > just recently announced it, I'm sure no one can say yet. > > Now for the disclaimer. I'm also a lurker. I'll pipe in from time to time > on subjects related to the Flores island. Usually I'll recommend that > people buy an ebook on those posts. It's not my book. Why do I care? I've > got two personal reasons: 1) It was me that encouraged the author to > publish that as an ebook; and 2) I'm very interested that he continues to > publish other books as ebooks - because my research will improve if he > does. In my defense, I do have to say that whoever does research in those > islands NEEDS to have that book. It's simply stupid to search for marriages > in the parish books, when you have a perfectly good index to 99% of all > marriages in those islands since 1675 to 1910. (Yes, there are flaws, which > book doesn't?). However, when it's relevant, I'll post the links to the > roots of my family Flores ancestors, where all my research is public. I > also have a website that I'll promote here from time to time (and always in > my sig), in which I do have a financial interest. I can tell you it's > mostly to have it pay for itself, and again you'll never pay for anything > in tombo.pt, as I only give back in another (hopefully better) package > what the LDS church, the CCA and the other 20+ archives in Portugal have > given us for free. In that spirit when my site detects something new, I'll > come here and announce with a link to my site and to the CCA, unless > someone has announced it before. > > João Ventura > http://tombo.pt/en > > On Sunday, 18 May 2014 06:14:57 UTC+2, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: > >> Cheri, >> >> Since you wrote this to the entire list, I'll respond in the same way. >> >> Of all the people I recently met after my posting about Pico and Terceira >> ancestors, I will let them speak up if they want. There is not one single >> one of them that has a single thing to object to. Since I won't violate >> their privacy, I'll encourage them to either write and respond on this list >> or to you privately. That will be all the speaking I need to do on my >> behalf. >> >> As to DNA fund raising, there is probably no one better qualified to do >> the research for Pico and Terceira than myself. It's because of how I >> approach the subject. Unlike all the published genealogists who pick >> particular lines that interest them, which tend to be the wealthiest or >> most famous, I try and do include everyone. Even slaves, expostos, etc, >> into my database and for this reason it's the most complete in the world. >> So taking a person's line from the most recent to the most distant is often >> just a few minutes, because I might have done the research years ago. And >> so using this to my advantage, I can selectively find ancestral lines from >> end of the line to present day with the end goal of getting a person to do >> the test, at the same time furthering my knowledge of these people from >> Pico and Terceira that I have devoted myself to for over two decades so far. >> >> Frankly, I am probably your biggest promoter of DNA testing and it's >> really amazing you find something to gripe about. But I suppose when you >> had a bad day recently and acted like a school master telling a child to do >> this or that and I didn't play your game, that was the last thing you said >> to me until now. >> >> By the way, most of those who wrote me said they didn't have much to >> contribute, but enjoy what I write about. One said they didn't know why but >> you filtered their message and prevented their question from being asked. >> So I'm am helping that person myself. >> >> It would not surprise me if after this message hits the list (IF you let >> it hit the list) that you unsubscribe me. I already started participating >> less because of your attitude. But it's your list that you started when the >> old Rootsweb Azores List was taken over by some guy that started to act >> similarly to what you are now doing. So it would not surprise me if this >> marks the beginning of the decline here. >> >> But I think the decent folks on the list don't want to witness what you >> are trying to create with me. >> >> As for me, I won't comment again about this, even if you insist. >> >> Doug da Rocha Holmes >> Sacramento, California >> Pico & Terceira Genealogist >> 916-550-1618 >> www.dholmes.com >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] List membership, posts, researchers for >> hire, DNA fundraising >> From: Cheri Mello <gfsc...@gmail.com> >> Date: Sat, May 17, 2014 8:22 pm >> To: Azores Genealogy <azo...@googlegroups.com> >> >> Doug, >> >> I've posted from time to time how many subscribers are on this list. >> Anyone can find that number by going out to the Web board/Forum board and >> clicking the "About" link. The only reason I mention it is to make people >> aware that they are emailing 1200 people, some of whom are still working or >> have limited time on their hands. The list is active with genealogy posts >> (sometimes 20 in a day) and I would like the posts to be meaningful for the >> 1200 subscribers. Reading a single post that says "Thanks!" is imposing on >> people's time and is not meaningful nor helpful in someone's genealogical >> search. >> >> After teaching kids and teenagers math and then adults DNA and genealogy, >> I know how it works. Teach something. You get questions from some of the >> audience (class) at the end. People (even kids) raise their hand and ask >> questions. The vast majority take the information that was presented and >> walk away with it. Then there are the few people that come up and ask a >> question in private. Same thing with this list. The vast majority of >> people read, take the information, and walk away with it. Some people >> raise their hand (post) their question for all to see. And a few email >> privately to ask a question. >> >> Since your last post, I've received a number of emails about the >> underlying intent of that post. You'll give people a gift who email you? >> Geez, you're sounding like a used car salesman! All of us who have been >> into this awhile know you do research for hire. It's posted on the Azores >> GenWeb for all to see along with the list of other researchers for hire. >> And when someone asks for a researcher for hire, I post that link. So if >> you are drumming up business, just say so. But to bribe people with a >> gift....sounds like those time share things where you sit for 3 hours and >> listen to their spiel for the "gift" at the end. And we all know that many >> of those things are shady. I'm sure you don't want to be known as the >> "shady" genealogist! >> >> And the DNA offer? Sorry to tell you this, but we've already been doing >> fundraising. We've raised funds for certain lines that we wanted tested >> and the money was put into the General Fund at FTDNA. Basically an escrow >> account. That way, I don't have to handle the money and try to keep track >> of it. Money can create problems. Just giving money to one person with no >> backing....I prefer the fiduciary set up that FTDNA has. And it was nice >> having it there in another project I manage. People contributed money >> towards a kit and then they decided not to pursue that line. FTDNA knew >> who donated what and refunded it all back. Seriously, people are going to >> send you money and for all we know, you're using it to buy something you've >> been eyeballing! >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das >> Tainhas, Achada >> >> -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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