Joao: Thank you.
See how wonderful this list is? I didn't know until I read your email that there are a couple of books I should buy-especially the marriage index one. That is really good to know. How can I buy these? Thank you for all you do as well. Maria Elena > On May 19, 2014, at 3:10 AM, João Ventura <[email protected]> wrote: > > Wow, > > This is the classical definition of a flame war.. Usually no one wins, and > everyone loses. So I'd invite everyone to step back, count to 10, and really > decide if they want to kindle this fire. > > I've only good things to say about Cheri, and this list really works, so I > can only praise what steps she felt she needed to take over the years. > > From Doug, I've had a few private conversations, but as my family doesn't > have many ancestors in Pico or Terceira, frankly it never bothered me, that > he doesn't share back. I do know that Doug will at some point try to sell his > book on Pico and Terceira, so I understand why he doesn't want to do it. > Personally, I do not believe in walled gardens: information is out there, and > should be shared back in the same spirit it was shared by the CCA and the LDS > church. What I don't understand is the hostility towards his gift. Maybe it's > a Trojan horse, but maybe it isn't. Knowing that he just recently announced > it, I'm sure no one can say yet. > > Now for the disclaimer. I'm also a lurker. I'll pipe in from time to time on > subjects related to the Flores island. Usually I'll recommend that people buy > an ebook on those posts. It's not my book. Why do I care? I've got two > personal reasons: 1) It was me that encouraged the author to publish that as > an ebook; and 2) I'm very interested that he continues to publish other books > as ebooks - because my research will improve if he does. In my defense, I do > have to say that whoever does research in those islands NEEDS to have that > book. It's simply stupid to search for marriages in the parish books, when > you have a perfectly good index to 99% of all marriages in those islands > since 1675 to 1910. (Yes, there are flaws, which book doesn't?). However, > when it's relevant, I'll post the links to the roots of my family Flores > ancestors, where all my research is public. I also have a website that I'll > promote here from time to time (and always in my sig), in which I do have a > financial interest. I can tell you it's mostly to have it pay for itself, and > again you'll never pay for anything in tombo.pt, as I only give back in > another (hopefully better) package what the LDS church, the CCA and the other > 20+ archives in Portugal have given us for free. In that spirit when my site > detects something new, I'll come here and announce with a link to my site and > to the CCA, unless someone has announced it before. > > João Ventura > http://tombo.pt/en > >> On Sunday, 18 May 2014 06:14:57 UTC+2, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: >> Cheri, >> >> Since you wrote this to the entire list, I'll respond in the same way. >> >> Of all the people I recently met after my posting about Pico and Terceira >> ancestors, I will let them speak up if they want. There is not one single >> one of them that has a single thing to object to. Since I won't violate >> their privacy, I'll encourage them to either write and respond on this list >> or to you privately. That will be all the speaking I need to do on my behalf. >> >> As to DNA fund raising, there is probably no one better qualified to do the >> research for Pico and Terceira than myself. It's because of how I approach >> the subject. Unlike all the published genealogists who pick particular lines >> that interest them, which tend to be the wealthiest or most famous, I try >> and do include everyone. Even slaves, expostos, etc, into my database and >> for this reason it's the most complete in the world. So taking a person's >> line from the most recent to the most distant is often just a few minutes, >> because I might have done the research years ago. And so using this to my >> advantage, I can selectively find ancestral lines from end of the line to >> present day with the end goal of getting a person to do the test, at the >> same time furthering my knowledge of these people from Pico and Terceira >> that I have devoted myself to for over two decades so far. >> >> Frankly, I am probably your biggest promoter of DNA testing and it's really >> amazing you find something to gripe about. But I suppose when you had a bad >> day recently and acted like a school master telling a child to do this or >> that and I didn't play your game, that was the last thing you said to me >> until now. >> >> By the way, most of those who wrote me said they didn't have much to >> contribute, but enjoy what I write about. One said they didn't know why but >> you filtered their message and prevented their question from being asked. So >> I'm am helping that person myself. >> >> It would not surprise me if after this message hits the list (IF you let it >> hit the list) that you unsubscribe me. I already started participating less >> because of your attitude. But it's your list that you started when the old >> Rootsweb Azores List was taken over by some guy that started to act >> similarly to what you are now doing. So it would not surprise me if this >> marks the beginning of the decline here. >> >> But I think the decent folks on the list don't want to witness what you are >> trying to create with me. >> >> As for me, I won't comment again about this, even if you insist. >> >> Doug da Rocha Holmes >> Sacramento, California >> Pico & Terceira Genealogist >> 916-550-1618 >> www.dholmes.com >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] List membership, posts, researchers for >> hire, DNA fundraising >> From: Cheri Mello <[email protected]> >> Date: Sat, May 17, 2014 8:22 pm >> To: Azores Genealogy <[email protected]> >> >> Doug, >> >> I've posted from time to time how many subscribers are on this list. Anyone >> can find that number by going out to the Web board/Forum board and clicking >> the "About" link. The only reason I mention it is to make people aware that >> they are emailing 1200 people, some of whom are still working or have >> limited time on their hands. The list is active with genealogy posts >> (sometimes 20 in a day) and I would like the posts to be meaningful for the >> 1200 subscribers. Reading a single post that says "Thanks!" is imposing on >> people's time and is not meaningful nor helpful in someone's genealogical >> search. >> >> After teaching kids and teenagers math and then adults DNA and genealogy, I >> know how it works. Teach something. You get questions from some of the >> audience (class) at the end. People (even kids) raise their hand and ask >> questions. The vast majority take the information that was presented and >> walk away with it. Then there are the few people that come up and ask a >> question in private. Same thing with this list. The vast majority of >> people read, take the information, and walk away with it. Some people raise >> their hand (post) their question for all to see. And a few email privately >> to ask a question. >> >> Since your last post, I've received a number of emails about the underlying >> intent of that post. You'll give people a gift who email you? Geez, you're >> sounding like a used car salesman! All of us who have been into this awhile >> know you do research for hire. It's posted on the Azores GenWeb for all to >> see along with the list of other researchers for hire. And when someone >> asks for a researcher for hire, I post that link. So if you are drumming up >> business, just say so. But to bribe people with a gift....sounds like those >> time share things where you sit for 3 hours and listen to their spiel for >> the "gift" at the end. And we all know that many of those things are shady. >> I'm sure you don't want to be known as the "shady" genealogist! >> >> And the DNA offer? Sorry to tell you this, but we've already been doing >> fundraising. We've raised funds for certain lines that we wanted tested and >> the money was put into the General Fund at FTDNA. Basically an escrow >> account. That way, I don't have to handle the money and try to keep track >> of it. Money can create problems. Just giving money to one person with no >> backing....I prefer the fiduciary set up that FTDNA has. And it was nice >> having it there in another project I manage. People contributed money >> towards a kit and then they decided not to pursue that line. FTDNA knew who >> donated what and refunded it all back. Seriously, people are going to send >> you money and for all we know, you're using it to buy something you've been >> eyeballing! >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, >> Achada > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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