Wow Hermano, that is some info! At least the father did acknowledge the child so the bloodline is known even though the parents were not married!
Rosemarie [email protected] Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Hermano C. Pires <[email protected]> wrote: > Rick. > You have definetly read too much into the record of her baptism. > Maria daughter of Maria da Estrela, who lives by and through her own > means and of an unknow father, maternal granddaughter of Jose de Arruda and > Antonia Pereira (Panera ?). Born on 14 July 1780 and baptised on 22 July > 1780. > Felisberto Caetano, sui juris (who lives by and through his own means) > was the godfather. > > Note on the rght margin refers to the father acknowleging her as his > daughter: > On 26 April 1798, present in this "Consevatoria" Manuel Moniz da Costa, > "Medidor" (surveyer ?) declared to be the father of the child baptised and > that he hadn'd recognised her as his daughter at the time because he was > married to Maria Pacheco but upon her marriage felt compeled to discarge > his conscience, or something like that ! Maria's (Maria dos Santos) > marriage ocurred 3 days later, but then you know that! > So Maria dos Santos was the daughter of Maria da Estrela and Manuel Moniz > da Costa, who at the time was married to Maria Pacheco > Whoa, enough. > Hope that helps. > Hermano > > > ------------------------------ > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Interesting record NS Estrela 1798 > Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 10:28:13 -0500 > > *The bride is described as felha espura and refers to book of baptisms # > 29 (Estrela 1776-1782)page 149* > > > > *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1784-1798/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1784-1798_item1/P182.html > <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1784-1798/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1784-1798_item1/P182.html> > Front side of page 182 (Right side of image)* > > > > *This is the baptism > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1776-1782/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1776-1782_item1/P151.html > <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1776-1782/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1776-1782_item1/P151.html> > Front side of page 149, lower entry (lower right side of image)* > > > > *I cannot understand all that is written but it appears that when the > bride was born there was a big to do about it. It does name her mother as > Maria da Estrella they use the word sui juris (I think it means she was > under age) and then names two men Jose de Arruda and Antonio Paxeca > (Pacheco). I think she had relations with both and was unsure who the > father was so it names both.* > > > > *The marriage does name Manuel Moniz da Costa a medidor (I think medidor > is like a guardian or judge) husband of Maria Pacheca. The marriage also > names her mother Maria da Estrella sui juris* > > > > *Perhaps one of our native speaker can get a better read of what was going > on.* > > > > *Rick* > > > > *Richard Francis Pimentel* > > *Epping, NH* > > > > > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
