That "Ribeira Quente, limit of the freguesia de Ponta Garca" meant Grotas
Fundas? I thought it basically meant the edge of town. I have a lot of
ancestors from the "limit!"  Things that I learn from this list!
Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 9:14 PM, JR <jmro...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I will let people more knowledgeable about Joao Afonso discuss his history
> and story.
>
> For now I can tell you that Grotas Fundas is a neighbourhood, even today,
> on the eastern border of the village of Ponta Garca. Because of the hills
> and mountains, the town of Ponta Garca ends there and borders hills
> surrounding Ribeira Quente. There is a very nice beach at the bottom that
> was actually part of the property of Dr, Agusto Botelho de Simas. It was
> his summer home. He was a well known and respected doctor in the 1950-80
> era, based in Vila Franca, now deceased. There is a bust of him in the main
> square honoring his life and work. The beach is now public with public
> access. From there you get fabulous views of the peninsulas jutting out
> into the ocean, east and west, and south is the ocean.. And you might even
> see whales or dolphins swimming by. Looking east is Ribeira Quente, but its
> view is blocked by a huge rolling hills, beautiful in their right. Looking
> west is the coastline leading to Vila Franca, easily visible, an
> outstanding view.
>
> The land is rich and suitable for farming and was covered by vineyards in
> times past, and I guess that's what made it so attractive to our ancestors.
> Apparently, other well known families from the upper class owned land
> there. There is a trail, still in use for hikers, that people took in the
> past, by foot and donkey from Grotas Fudas to Ribeira Quente. They were
> mostly cousins, farm workers and fisherfolk and exchanged produce and
> goods. You often read about ancestors that lived in Grotas Fundas or the
> place called "Ribeira Quente, limit de fraguesia de Ponta Garca." It was
> also the shortest way to Ribeira Quente and Povoacao. Otherwise, you have
> to go north, way up to the main road, where essentially you are on top of
> hill. There is a long, winding and steep road, called the Guiteria that
> starts at Grotas Fundas and makes it way up the main road. It is pastoral
> and you might encounter cows on the moo-ve! Sorry couldn't resist. At the
> top you will be rewarded with a vista of the whole of Ponta Garca and Vila
> Franca. Take your camera!
>
> JR
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 9:02:45 PM UTC-4, manita.morgado wrote:
>>
>> I would like the answer to that question too!
>>
>> I have a few questions:
>>
>> 1.  What is the story?
>>
>> I tried to read the section on him in "Familias Antigas Povoação" but my
>> Portuguese is limited.  I only recognize words ...something about torture,
>> abandon, going to Rome to ask the Pope for forgiveness, walking to Santiago
>> de Compostela and building a hospital.
>>
>> 2.  What is the controversy?
>>
>> 3.  Is there further study being done on him?  What other source records
>> exist on him?
>>
>> 4.  Now that we have DNA testing.  Is it possible now to prove who he
>> was?
>>
>> I'm completely fascinated.
>>
>> 5.  Also.   Where exactly if Grotas Fundas?  I want to go visit this
>> place when I go to Sao Miguel next week.
>>
>> Looking foward to any information you have on him.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
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