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<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-sNIe7xi0zBA/VmWyI6OSDTI/AAAAAAAAG3s/W1Dixd7CSj4/s1600/vol12pag103_100.jpg> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ic1KCSo7Gnw/VmWyNLHij2I/AAAAAAAAG30/onImxkuDQN0/s1600/vol12pag104_100.jpg> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6RPLLKqCbz0/VmWyDbHdZ7I/AAAAAAAAG3k/LYqyWrSiK6A/s1600/vol12pag102_100.jpg> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-sNIe7xi0zBA/VmWyI6OSDTI/AAAAAAAAG3s/W1Dixd7CSj4/s1600/vol12pag103_100.jpg> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1GZVzBSsT9s/VmWx-VC9ejI/AAAAAAAAG3c/xuvj48IBZ2w/s1600/vol12pag101_100.jpg> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6RPLLKqCbz0/VmWyDbHdZ7I/AAAAAAAAG3k/LYqyWrSiK6A/s1600/vol12pag102_100.jpg> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Z0VsxJKa0tI/VmWx4--GhyI/AAAAAAAAG3U/t23wR3hX2Og/s1600/vol12pag100_100.jpg> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1GZVzBSsT9s/VmWx-VC9ejI/AAAAAAAAG3c/xuvj48IBZ2w/s1600/vol12pag101_100.jpg> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Z0VsxJKa0tI/VmWx4--GhyI/AAAAAAAAG3U/t23wR3hX2Og/s1600/vol12pag100_100.jpg> terça-feira, 3 de Novembro de 2015 às 19:12:51 UTC-1, Shirley Allegre escreveu: > > See below in red. I haven't worked on this line in a long, long time. I > got some of the info from geneall.net. AND some from George Pacheco, > plus other people. > Shirley in CA > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Ângela Loura <javascript:> > *To:* [email protected] <javascript:> > *Sent:* Monday, November 02, 2015 10:07 AM > *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] João Afonso das Grotas Fundas > > Yes, in the meantime i started reading the hole thread and was looking at > the info in geneall <http://geneall.net/pt/forum/143935/conde-benavente/> > > 2015-11-02 18:01 GMT+00:00 Manita M <[email protected] <javascript:>>: > >> It's in Spain. Baesa, Galiza, Spain. >> >> Context - here is a post I made to a Spanish genealogy group: >> >> I show that he was in Ponta Garca, Sao Miguel, Azores from 1460-1480. >> >> my 13x great grandfather was Joao Afonso de Pimentel birth circa 1400's >> in ? and died 02-Sep-1512 in Sao Miguel, Azores, PORTUGAL. His parents are >> Alfonso >> de Pimentel y Enriquez, III conde de Benavente (born 1432 and died 1461 >> Benavente) and Maria Vigil de Quinones y Toledo (b. 1436 and died >> 12-Apr-1477 Toledo). I need evidence that my 13x great grandfather is the >> child of this couple as there is mystery around him. >> >> DON Afonso de Pimentel's father was DON Rodrigo Afonso Pimentel, 2nd >> Count of Benavente. >> >> http://www.xenealoxiasdoortegal.net/ortegal/pimentel.htm >> On Nov 2, 2015 12:56 PM, "Ângela Loura" <[email protected] <javascript:>> >> wrote: >> >>> Olá Manita, >>> >>> Do you mean Benavente in Portugal (mainland)? >>> >>> 2015-11-02 17:34 GMT+00:00 Manita M <[email protected] <javascript:>> >>> : >>> >>>> Hola! >>>> >>>> Is there anyone on this list that can share more information on the >>>> history and story beyond what JR provided for João Afonso das Grotas >>>> Fundas? >>>> >>>> I'm heading to Portugal on the 14th and I'm seriously considering a >>>> detour to Benavente, Spain but would like to be armed with more >>>> information. >>>> >>>> Does anyone have a CCA link to Joao Afonso death record or are you >>>> relying on RR's information? >>>> >>>> Where was he born? Does anyone have that record? >>>> On Sep 2, 2015 12:14 AM, "JR" <[email protected] <javascript:>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I will let people more knowledgeable about Joao Afonso discuss his >>>>> history and story. >>>>> >>>>> For now I can tell you that Grotas Fundas is a neighbourhood, even >>>>> today, on the eastern border of the village of Ponta Garca. Because of >>>>> the >>>>> hills and mountains, the town of Ponta Garca ends there and borders hills >>>>> surrounding Ribeira Quente. There is a very nice beach at the bottom that >>>>> was actually part of the property of Dr, Agusto Botelho de Simas. It was >>>>> his summer home. He was a well known and respected doctor in the 1950-80 >>>>> era, based in Vila Franca, now deceased. There is a bust of him in the >>>>> main >>>>> square honoring his life and work. The beach is now public with public >>>>> access. From there you get fabulous views of the peninsulas jutting out >>>>> into the ocean, east and west, and south is the ocean.. And you might >>>>> even >>>>> see whales or dolphins swimming by. Looking east is Ribeira Quente, but >>>>> its >>>>> view is blocked by a huge rolling hills, beautiful in their right. >>>>> Looking >>>>> west is the coastline leading to Vila Franca, easily visible, an >>>>> outstanding view. >>>>> >>>>> The land is rich and suitable for farming and was covered by vineyards >>>>> in times past, and I guess that's what made it so attractive to our >>>>> ancestors. Apparently, other well known families from the upper class >>>>> owned >>>>> land there. There is a trail, still in use for hikers, that people took >>>>> in >>>>> the past, by foot and donkey from Grotas Fudas to Ribeira Quente. They >>>>> were >>>>> mostly cousins, farm workers and fisherfolk and exchanged produce and >>>>> goods. You often read about ancestors that lived in Grotas Fundas or the >>>>> place called "Ribeira Quente, limit de fraguesia de Ponta Garca." It was >>>>> also the shortest way to Ribeira Quente and Povoacao. Otherwise, you have >>>>> to go north, way up to the main road, where essentially you are on top of >>>>> hill. There is a long, winding and steep road, called the Guiteria that >>>>> starts at Grotas Fundas and makes it way up the main road. It is pastoral >>>>> and you might encounter cows on the moo-ve! Sorry couldn't resist. At the >>>>> top you will be rewarded with a vista of the whole of Ponta Garca and >>>>> Vila >>>>> Franca. Take your camera! >>>>> >>>>> JR >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 9:02:45 PM UTC-4, manita.morgado >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I would like the answer to that question too! >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a few questions: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. What is the story? >>>>>> >>>>>> I tried to read the section on him in "Familias Antigas Povoação" but >>>>>> my Portuguese is limited. I only recognize words ...something about >>>>>> torture, abandon, going to Rome to ask the Pope for forgiveness, walking >>>>>> to >>>>>> Santiago de Compostela and building a hospital. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. What is the controversy? >>>>>> >>>>>> 3. Is there further study being done on him? What other source >>>>>> records exist on him? >>>>>> >>>>>> 4. Now that we have DNA testing. Is it possible now to prove who he >>>>>> was? >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm completely fascinated. >>>>>> >>>>>> 5. Also. Where exactly if Grotas Fundas? I want to go visit this >>>>>> place when I go to Sao Miguel next week. >>>>>> >>>>>> Looking foward to any information you have on him. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you! >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>>>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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