Yes, in the meantime i started reading the hole thread and was looking at the info in geneall <http://geneall.net/pt/forum/143935/conde-benavente/>
2015-11-02 18:01 GMT+00:00 Manita M <[email protected]>: > It's in Spain. > > Context - here is a post I made to a Spanish genealogy group: > > my 13x great grandfather was Joao Afonso de Pimentel birth circa 1400's in > ? and died 02-Sep-1512 in Sao Miguel, Azores, PORTUGAL. His parents are > Alfonso de Pimentel y Enriquez, III conde de Benavente (born 1432 and died > 1461 Benavente) and Maria Vigil de Quinones y Toledo (b. 1436 and died > 12-Apr-1477 Toledo). I need evidence that my 13x great grandfather is the > child of this couple as there is mystery around him. > > http://www.xenealoxiasdoortegal.net/ortegal/pimentel.htm > On Nov 2, 2015 12:56 PM, "Ângela Loura" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Olá Manita, >> >> Do you mean Benavente in Portugal (mainland)? >> >> 2015-11-02 17:34 GMT+00:00 Manita M <[email protected]>: >> >>> Hola! >>> >>> Is there anyone on this list that can share more information on the >>> history and story beyond what JR provided for João Afonso das Grotas Fundas? >>> >>> I'm heading to Portugal on the 14th and I'm seriously considering a >>> detour to Benavente, Spain but would like to be armed with more >>> information. >>> >>> Does anyone have a CCA link to Joao Afonso death record or are you >>> relying on RR's information? >>> >>> Where was he born? Does anyone have that record? >>> On Sep 2, 2015 12:14 AM, "JR" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I will let people more knowledgeable about Joao Afonso discuss his >>>> history and story. >>>> >>>> For now I can tell you that Grotas Fundas is a neighbourhood, even >>>> today, on the eastern border of the village of Ponta Garca. Because of the >>>> hills and mountains, the town of Ponta Garca ends there and borders hills >>>> surrounding Ribeira Quente. There is a very nice beach at the bottom that >>>> was actually part of the property of Dr, Agusto Botelho de Simas. It was >>>> his summer home. He was a well known and respected doctor in the 1950-80 >>>> era, based in Vila Franca, now deceased. There is a bust of him in the main >>>> square honoring his life and work. The beach is now public with public >>>> access. From there you get fabulous views of the peninsulas jutting out >>>> into the ocean, east and west, and south is the ocean.. And you might even >>>> see whales or dolphins swimming by. Looking east is Ribeira Quente, but its >>>> view is blocked by a huge rolling hills, beautiful in their right. Looking >>>> west is the coastline leading to Vila Franca, easily visible, an >>>> outstanding view. >>>> >>>> The land is rich and suitable for farming and was covered by vineyards >>>> in times past, and I guess that's what made it so attractive to our >>>> ancestors. Apparently, other well known families from the upper class owned >>>> land there. There is a trail, still in use for hikers, that people took in >>>> the past, by foot and donkey from Grotas Fudas to Ribeira Quente. They were >>>> mostly cousins, farm workers and fisherfolk and exchanged produce and >>>> goods. You often read about ancestors that lived in Grotas Fundas or the >>>> place called "Ribeira Quente, limit de fraguesia de Ponta Garca." It was >>>> also the shortest way to Ribeira Quente and Povoacao. Otherwise, you have >>>> to go north, way up to the main road, where essentially you are on top of >>>> hill. There is a long, winding and steep road, called the Guiteria that >>>> starts at Grotas Fundas and makes it way up the main road. It is pastoral >>>> and you might encounter cows on the moo-ve! Sorry couldn't resist. At the >>>> top you will be rewarded with a vista of the whole of Ponta Garca and Vila >>>> Franca. Take your camera! >>>> >>>> JR >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 9:02:45 PM UTC-4, manita.morgado wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I would like the answer to that question too! >>>>> >>>>> I have a few questions: >>>>> >>>>> 1. What is the story? >>>>> >>>>> I tried to read the section on him in "Familias Antigas Povoação" but >>>>> my Portuguese is limited. I only recognize words ...something about >>>>> torture, abandon, going to Rome to ask the Pope for forgiveness, walking >>>>> to >>>>> Santiago de Compostela and building a hospital. >>>>> >>>>> 2. What is the controversy? >>>>> >>>>> 3. Is there further study being done on him? What other source >>>>> records exist on him? >>>>> >>>>> 4. Now that we have DNA testing. Is it possible now to prove who he >>>>> was? >>>>> >>>>> I'm completely fascinated. >>>>> >>>>> 5. Also. Where exactly if Grotas Fundas? I want to go visit this >>>>> place when I go to Sao Miguel next week. >>>>> >>>>> Looking foward to any information you have on him. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you! >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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