I'm not sure if it's the correct Lopo Días, but I saw a reference in RR's capitulo 162 to a Lopo Dias. If this is indeed the person that the testament refers to, I'm still not sure how Lopo Días and João Afonso are related. On Dec 8, 2015 5:12 PM, "Eliseu Pacheco da Silva" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I will try to establish if I am related to Lopo Dias… then I will let you > know… > > > > *De:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *Em nome > de *Manita M > *Enviada:* 8 de dezembro de 2015 18:26 > *Para:* [email protected] > *Cc:* Shirley Allegre <[email protected]> > *Assunto:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] João Afonso das Grotas Fundas > > > > On the bottom half of page 102, as pointed out by Julio, there is a > reference to: > > "LOPO DÍAS, DA MAIA, MEU PARENTE" > > Since this document was written in November 1511, can you please check > your family trees for this man being alive at this time. Who is? How is he > "related" to Joao Afonso exactly. > > On Dec 8, 2015 12:35 AM, "Júlio" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ic1KCSo7Gnw/VmWyNLHij2I/AAAAAAAAG30/onImxkuDQN0/s1600/vol12pag104_100.jpg> > > > <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-sNIe7xi0zBA/VmWyI6OSDTI/AAAAAAAAG3s/W1Dixd7CSj4/s1600/vol12pag103_100.jpg> > > > <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ic1KCSo7Gnw/VmWyNLHij2I/AAAAAAAAG30/onImxkuDQN0/s1600/vol12pag104_100.jpg> > > > <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6RPLLKqCbz0/VmWyDbHdZ7I/AAAAAAAAG3k/LYqyWrSiK6A/s1600/vol12pag102_100.jpg> > > > <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-sNIe7xi0zBA/VmWyI6OSDTI/AAAAAAAAG3s/W1Dixd7CSj4/s1600/vol12pag103_100.jpg> > > > <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1GZVzBSsT9s/VmWx-VC9ejI/AAAAAAAAG3c/xuvj48IBZ2w/s1600/vol12pag101_100.jpg> > > > <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6RPLLKqCbz0/VmWyDbHdZ7I/AAAAAAAAG3k/LYqyWrSiK6A/s1600/vol12pag102_100.jpg> > > > <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Z0VsxJKa0tI/VmWx4--GhyI/AAAAAAAAG3U/t23wR3hX2Og/s1600/vol12pag100_100.jpg> > > > <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1GZVzBSsT9s/VmWx-VC9ejI/AAAAAAAAG3c/xuvj48IBZ2w/s1600/vol12pag101_100.jpg> > > > <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Z0VsxJKa0tI/VmWx4--GhyI/AAAAAAAAG3U/t23wR3hX2Og/s1600/vol12pag100_100.jpg> > > > > terça-feira, 3 de Novembro de 2015 às 19:12:51 UTC-1, Shirley Allegre > escreveu: > > See below in red. I haven't worked on this line in a long, long time. I > got some of the info from geneall.net. AND some from George Pacheco, > plus other people. > > Shirley in CA > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Ângela Loura > > *To:* [email protected] > > *Sent:* Monday, November 02, 2015 10:07 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] João Afonso das Grotas Fundas > > > > Yes, in the meantime i started reading the hole thread and was looking at > the info in geneall <http://geneall.net/pt/forum/143935/conde-benavente/> > > > > 2015-11-02 18:01 GMT+00:00 Manita M <[email protected]>: > > It's in Spain. Baesa, Galiza, Spain. > > Context - here is a post I made to a Spanish genealogy group: > > I show that he was in Ponta Garca, Sao Miguel, Azores from 1460-1480. > > my 13x great grandfather was Joao Afonso de Pimentel birth circa 1400's in > ? and died 02-Sep-1512 in Sao Miguel, Azores, PORTUGAL. His parents are > Alfonso > de Pimentel y Enriquez, III conde de Benavente (born 1432 and died 1461 > Benavente) and Maria Vigil de Quinones y Toledo (b. 1436 and died > 12-Apr-1477 Toledo). I need evidence that my 13x great grandfather is the > child of this couple as there is mystery around him. > > DON Afonso de Pimentel's father was DON Rodrigo Afonso Pimentel, 2nd Count > of Benavente. > > http://www.xenealoxiasdoortegal.net/ortegal/pimentel.htm > > On Nov 2, 2015 12:56 PM, "Ângela Loura" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Olá Manita, > > > > Do you mean Benavente in Portugal (mainland)? > > > > 2015-11-02 17:34 GMT+00:00 Manita M <[email protected]>: > > Hola! > > Is there anyone on this list that can share more information on the > history and story beyond what JR provided for João Afonso das Grotas Fundas? > > I'm heading to Portugal on the 14th and I'm seriously considering a detour > to Benavente, Spain but would like to be armed with more information. > > Does anyone have a CCA link to Joao Afonso death record or are you relying > on RR's information? > > Where was he born? Does anyone have that record? > > On Sep 2, 2015 12:14 AM, "JR" <[email protected]> wrote: > > I will let people more knowledgeable about Joao Afonso discuss his history > and story. > > > > For now I can tell you that Grotas Fundas is a neighbourhood, even today, > on the eastern border of the village of Ponta Garca. Because of the hills > and mountains, the town of Ponta Garca ends there and borders hills > surrounding Ribeira Quente. There is a very nice beach at the bottom that > was actually part of the property of Dr, Agusto Botelho de Simas. It was > his summer home. He was a well known and respected doctor in the 1950-80 > era, based in Vila Franca, now deceased. There is a bust of him in the main > square honoring his life and work. The beach is now public with public > access. From there you get fabulous views of the peninsulas jutting out > into the ocean, east and west, and south is the ocean.. And you might even > see whales or dolphins swimming by. Looking east is Ribeira Quente, but its > view is blocked by a huge rolling hills, beautiful in their right. Looking > west is the coastline leading to Vila Franca, easily visible, an > outstanding view. > > > > The land is rich and suitable for farming and was covered by vineyards in > times past, and I guess that's what made it so attractive to our ancestors. > Apparently, other well known families from the upper class owned land > there. There is a trail, still in use for hikers, that people took in the > past, by foot and donkey from Grotas Fudas to Ribeira Quente. They were > mostly cousins, farm workers and fisherfolk and exchanged produce and > goods. You often read about ancestors that lived in Grotas Fundas or the > place called "Ribeira Quente, limit de fraguesia de Ponta Garca." It was > also the shortest way to Ribeira Quente and Povoacao. Otherwise, you have > to go north, way up to the main road, where essentially you are on top of > hill. There is a long, winding and steep road, called the Guiteria that > starts at Grotas Fundas and makes it way up the main road. It is pastoral > and you might encounter cows on the moo-ve! Sorry couldn't resist. At the > top you will be rewarded with a vista of the whole of Ponta Garca and Vila > Franca. Take your camera! > > > > JR > > > > > > On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 9:02:45 PM UTC-4, manita.morgado wrote: > > I would like the answer to that question too! > > I have a few questions: > > 1. What is the story? > > I tried to read the section on him in "Familias Antigas Povoação" but my > Portuguese is limited. I only recognize words ...something about torture, > abandon, going to Rome to ask the Pope for forgiveness, walking to Santiago > de Compostela and building a hospital. > > 2. What is the controversy? > > 3. Is there further study being done on him? What other source records > exist on him? > > 4. Now that we have DNA testing. 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