OK, I think I have figured out what the record says, at least in essence: Sargento Mel Dutra da Roza Vo. (Viuvo), filho de Joze Gra Moutozo e de sua mer Ma? da Roza com Con.ca da Roza fa Fco da Roza e sua mer Ma? da Roza todos n.es desta Va. e honde o contrahentes baptizados e ...? foram dispensados em 3 grao de consanguindade...
And this couple has a child born here: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1706-1760/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1706-1760_item1/P210.html Mel, fo de Sarg.to Mel Dutra da Roza e sua mer. Con.ca n.es e mres. desta freg.a da Sm.a Trindade, lugar de Capello desta Ilha do Fayal nasceo emos- 25-12-1758, bap- 28th, Pad- Anto Dutra de Andrade e Ma da Roza fa de Fco da Roza tia de baptizado nas e mres da dita freg. So unless there is another couple with these names, such as Catarina Roza instead of Conceicao Roza, then these are the same couple that married in 1757, in this record: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1736-1816/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1736-1816_item1/P40.html and it is why I said, what looks like Cna is Conceicao. And mad., Maria da Roza, is aunt of the baby, likely sister of Conceicao. Antonio Andrade may be brother of Manoel, the father. JR JR On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 10:14:03 PM UTC-5, JR wrote: > > If you ask me it looks like Fco da Roza e sua mer. Ma. da Roza. Because at > first I thought it was Roza but could also be Pra. But the preposition 'da' > is never in front of Pereira, so it has to a name that goes with the said > prep. I studied it a bit, the first letter looks like his unique stylized R > and z, so I would venture Roza. > > Have seen any people with these names before, or even alternates, meaning > that this couple could have used other names? > > I am somewhat confused. You mean his name is not Jose Dutra Andrade? cc > Catarina da Rosa? Is it Manuel Dutra Roza? > > JR > > On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 8:02:30 PM UTC-5, Becky M. wrote: >> >> Thank you JR. I do have 3 of their children, but none list >> grandparents...I have Manuel Dutra da Rosa's parents, but not Catarina's. I >> have looked for Catarinas baptismal record, but can't be sure which one is >> hers unless I can match it to her marriage record...so on this one, I am >> going in circles, lol...I have a possible death record which lists Manuel >> as her husband, and approx age when she passed, but the are several >> Catarinas during her approximate birth time. That's why I hoped someone >> would be able to glean more from the marriage record to confirm her parents >> names. >> Thank you for all the suggestions! >> Becky >> On Feb 22, 2016 2:07 PM, "JR" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> And here is Roza, born- Oct 7- 1761. the father's name may be Jose >>> Garcia Moutozo, and this is spelled out in this baptism and partly shown in >>> the difficult marriage record- Mouto__? Likely the same name. >>> >>> JR >>> >>> >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791_item1/P13.html >>> >>> On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 3:46:38 PM UTC-5, JR wrote: >>>> >>>> This looks like it might be yours. Notice on side margin after Dutra is >>>> the prep 'da' which may be da Andrade as below. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1706-1760/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1706-1760_item1/P213.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Maria, fa. de Jozeph Dutra de Andrade e sua mer. Catherina Roza da >>>> Sylv.ra freg.es >>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Ffreg.es&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNH8-S2p6abg7JMJUgLECcTIdZtBWA> >>>> desta >>>> da. mres. Sim.a Trindade do lugar da Cappelo desta Ilha do Fayal nasceo >>>> aos >>>> quatro dias de mez de Abril de 1759, bap- (7-4-1757), Pad- Bartholomeu >>>> G.ra >>>> (Gracia?) fo. de Mel. Gra de Andrade e sua mer. Maria Gte (Goularte) de >>>> Faria e Anna Ma. da Sylv.ra fa. de Anto. Sylv.ra de Faria e sua mer. Luzia >>>> Sylv.ra todos freg. desta ditta par.... >>>> >>>> On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 3:12:25 PM UTC-5, JR wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I have a suggestion. Since you have quite a bit of info, including the >>>>> date of May 9- 1757, why not go to baptisms and look for children of this >>>>> couple in the first few years and you will likely get your answer. >>>>> >>>>> JR >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 7:15:46 AM UTC-5, Becky M. wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I was giving my history of family and names for my background...I am >>>>>> asking for help reading this record, specifically the bride and grooms >>>>>> names and their parents. I didn't want to be too wordy and list my >>>>>> entire >>>>>> tree to go back that far, but did want to include where I started from. >>>>>> I >>>>>> taught myself to read these records. I think in this record I am having >>>>>> trouble with, I see the groom: _____ Dutra, son of Jose Goularte or >>>>>> Garcia, >>>>>> deceased, and his wife_____ Maria Dutra, and Catarina da Rosa daughter >>>>>> of >>>>>> Francisco da Rosa and his wife Maria da____.... Can anyone correct what >>>>>> I >>>>>> have if wrong, or fill in the blanks?? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>> Becky >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't see a question here. You talk about your husband being raised >>>>>> by another family and you mention the mid-1800s. Then you post a record >>>>>> from the mid 1700s. Somehow you are able to make your way back 250 >>>>>> years, >>>>>> but I am not clear as to what you can and cannot read. You must be able >>>>>> to >>>>>> read a lot to be back to the mid 1700s. 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