Susan, CITCEM is a database created by the University of Minho. They transcribed parish records. Unfortunately, not all parish records have been done. And, there are mistakes because many records are in terrible shape. Also, humans inevitably make errors.
The record you sent was from the CCA site which shows the actual parish records that CITCEM used. I tend to use both, which is why I pointed out the discrepancy. My grandmother's family came from Candelaria and Sao Mateus. If I can ever help, let me know. No guarantees. Especially, where Candelaria is concerned as its records are in terrible condition and there are missing ones for several time periods. Gayle > On Sep 6, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Susan Schoen <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thank you for the translation & additional reference. I'm relatively new @ > this, may I ask what CITCEM is? > I got most of my other info on Maria Theresa Maciel from the Sausalito CA > census records online via Ancestry. The estimated birthdate varies, but the > only one that included a month also included a year; Aug 1857, so I was > hoping that was the most accurate. > I don't know if the respondents arbitrarily told the interviewer different > years, or if the interviewers guessed, or couldn't read their own notes, or > whatever? > >> On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 11:03:45 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote: >> Susan, >> >> I see : Maria, daughter of Joao Sousa Maciel and Marianna da Gloria. She was >> born 10 Dec 1865. Paternal grandparents were Manuel Homem Silveira and >> Marianna Josefa. Maternal grandparents were Antonio (?) and Inacia Balbina. >> Note: I used modern spellings above in Sousa and Inacia. Also, Antonio's >> surname seems to disappear where the page bends inward. >> >> I checked CITCEM but it gives the birthdate in August, which baffles me. I >> am on my iPhone so I often am cautious on being too definitive when viewing >> on a small screen, but, I really see December on the first line. I'll go >> back and see if the birth was four months earlier with the baptism much >> later. Not unheard of, but more often than not just a few days apart. >> >> Gayle >> >> >> >>> On Sep 6, 2016, at 10:37 AM, Susan Schoen <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Maria Theresa Maciel is my father's maternal grandmother. I match many >>> people via GEDmatch on her line, but since I do not he the names of either >>> of her parents, it's hard for me to untangle who she might be connected to. >>> >>> Can someone please help me translate # 53 on the bottom left? >>> >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-PIEDADE-B-1865-1874/PIC-LJ-PIEDADE-B-1865-1874_item1/P38.html >>> >>> I can recognise the name Maciel on the 7th line down. I'm not sure if this >>> is our Maria Theresa Maciel because I can't decipher the date? I can make >>> out December & Octo for 1800's but the end of the line is blurry. It is >>> page 38 of 164 with the date range of 1864 to 1874, so it's in the >>> ballpark. Her birth year is estimated to be from 1865 to 1868 from census & >>> death record. One census stated August 1867, but don't know how accurate it >>> might be? In my grandmother's family (who is the daughter of Maria Theresa >>> Maciel) all of the daughters were baptised Mary, but only the eldest was >>> called Mary, all of the rest were called by their middle name. >>> >>> We were always told that she was from Pico & judging by some of the trees >>> from the DNA matches that we share in common, Lajes do Pico is probable. >>> Other family names that show up frequently in the matching trees are >>> Pereira & Silveira. 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