I never should have said that I had "most" of it figured out. Part of that was due to the excitement that I had found it (Eureka!) and the fact that I was in delirium @ 2:30 in the morning when I posted it. I stayed up until 4:30, but then opted to sleep on it & look with fresh eyes again this morning.
I don't understand Portuguese, unfortunately. This handwriting is better than what most people have to work with, but I do much better with the words that are easy to decipher like the dates, because you already know which words that you are hunting for. I was looking over the list of "Portuguese Genealogy words" and found a few more like "solenemente" which at first looked like a series of squiggles. Of course, the ones that are the easiest to read are the ones that are repeated often, like "freguesia." I heard someone say that they typed out the words & put them into an on-line translator, but I'm sure that those things are pretty literal & would spit out most of my guesses. I hope to get better with practice. I was relieved to find the date & the familiar surnames & the term: "legítima", but humbly ask if anyone can give me anything else that they would be kind enough to translate. Thanks in advance http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867_item1/P197.html # 47, bottom right, continued on the next page On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 8:17 AM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy < [email protected]> wrote: > Susan, > > What have you figured out ? What are you still trying to decipher ? > > Gayle > > > > On Sep 13, 2016, at 2:34 AM, Susan Schoen <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Thank you so much Gayle for the suggestion for checking the CITEM. I do > believe that I have found the correct Maria Teresa Maciel. The CITEM lists > the parents (Antonio Pereira Rosa & Maria Teresa) that are found in the > baptismal record. I think that I have most of it figured out, but there are > still some words that I haven't yet. > > # 47 on bottom right: > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC- > MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867_item1/P197.html > > continued on next page: > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC- > MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867_item1/P198.html > > & the tree from CITEM: > > http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Matca&lang= > pt&m=A&i=16225&v=5&siblings=on¬es=on&bd=0&color=&t=H&after=&before= > > Thank you > > On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 11:03:45 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote: >> >> Susan, >> >> I see : Maria, daughter of Joao Sousa Maciel and Marianna da Gloria. She >> was born 10 Dec 1865. Paternal grandparents were Manuel Homem Silveira and >> Marianna Josefa. Maternal grandparents were Antonio (?) and Inacia Balbina. >> Note: I used modern spellings above in Sousa and Inacia. Also, Antonio's >> surname seems to disappear where the page bends inward. >> >> I checked CITCEM but it gives the birthdate in August, which baffles me. >> I am on my iPhone so I often am cautious on being too definitive when >> viewing on a small screen, but, I really see December on the first line. >> I'll go back and see if the birth was four months earlier with the baptism >> much later. Not unheard of, but more often than not just a few days apart. >> >> Gayle >> >> >> >> On Sep 6, 2016, at 10:37 AM, Susan Schoen <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Maria Theresa Maciel is my father's maternal grandmother. I match many >> people via GEDmatch on her line, but since I do not he the names of either >> of her parents, it's hard for me to untangle who she might be connected to. >> >> Can someone please help me translate # 53 on the bottom left? >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ- >> PIEDADE-B-1865-1874/PIC-LJ-PIEDADE-B-1865-1874_item1/P38.html >> >> I can recognise the name *Maciel* on the 7th line down. I'm not sure if >> this is our Maria Theresa Maciel because I can't decipher the date? I can >> make out December & Octo for 1800's but the end of the line is blurry. It >> is page 38 of 164 with the date range of 1864 to 1874, so it's in the >> ballpark. Her birth year is estimated to be from 1865 to 1868 from census & >> death record. One census stated August 1867, but don't know how accurate it >> might be? In my grandmother's family (who is the daughter of Maria Theresa >> Maciel) all of the daughters were baptised Mary, but only the eldest was >> called Mary, all of the rest were called by their middle name. >> >> We were always told that she was from Pico & judging by some of the trees >> from the DNA matches that we share in common, Lajes do Pico is probable. >> Other family names that show up frequently in the matching trees are >> Pereira & Silveira. Maciel goes in & out. >> >> Thank you in advance! >> >> -- >> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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