They said 16 Sept 1884 about 4 or 5 times (and one time it was 1884 and 4)! That date was a big deal!
Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 9:08 PM, Liz Migliori <[email protected]> wrote: > But it doesn't give any hint of age or year of birth? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 9, 2016, at 8:09 PM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: > > You still need to find the baptism. > > A legitimization legitimizes the kid. The father comes forward and says > he's the dad (or in the case of pais incognitos, both parents come > forward). I'll try, but I'm not fluent and I've never trained myself to > read these. > > It starts out 31 Dec 1884 at Sao Joao Batista church in Lajes do Pico, > says Manuel Goulart Martins, married, mariner, living in this freguesia, in > a public declaration/proclamation, that he acknowledges/recognizes Manuel, > son of Perpetua da Conceicao, single, of this freguesia, and that the > following proclamation was made: Manuel Goulart Martins, single, mariner, > living in the freguesia of Sao Joao, on the 16 September 1884 ....I lose > part of it here then In the year birth of our Lord Jesus Christ of 1884 (I > think they wrote that year enough times already!) on the 16 day of the > month of September of the current year in this village of Lajes do Pico, > and the house of Antonio Homem da Costa ....I lose part of it here. I think > I see the word "found" "witnesses" "end of this assigned???" Manuel Goulart > Martins, single, of major age, maritime, living in the freguesia of Sao > Joao (geez, how much vinho did this guy have???) son of Manuel Goulart > Martins and of his wife Maria Francesca, both deceased, natives of the > freguesia of Sao Joao, of whom I knew properly?? of the faith?? (that word > is faith)...something about witnesses. They were present, the same > witnesses, something something Manuel Goulart Martins something something > something the son Manuel, single, son natural of Perpetua da Conceicao and > of pai incognito...godfather Jose Ignacio Martins, married, treasurer, > living in the something freguesia, and godmother the invocation of Our > Lady. Then something about the parish record declared Manuel was the son of > pai incognito (uhhh, they opened another bottle of wine)....I lose it > again. I see "declare that he and his son" ...I think he says again Manuel > is his son. Then something about Manuel, his son, uses two surnames > ...something then they have all the rights that they read of the king (huh > what?) something sons/children...Something authority of the faith (???) > .....ratified....assigned.......witnesses Antonio Homem Costa and Manuel > Leal de Brum, single, something something, living in this referenced Vila, > of whom I know, Thome Cardoza de Simas Machado e Mello something public of > notes (a notary?) It goes on again with the names, they attest to the > truth, they paid the stamps of 1000 reis (unit of money) and another of ___ > reis (had to do with 15/50?), something 16 September 1884 and 4 and Mello > (OK, now I need a bottle of wine). Something .. more or less of the said > something..actual book of notes, number 25 ... conferred it was true > without cause...two half pages of paper ...something something Simas. In > this village of Lajes do Pico on the 16 day of September 1884 (they must > have had a good crop of grapes). I Thome Cardozo de Simas Machado e Mello > ....he blabs some more and says his name again. I think you get the gist. > Manuel Goulart Martins signs at the end. > > Now I think I need some wine! LOL, just kidding. The native speakers are > laughing hysterically! > Cheri > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Elizabeth Migliori <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I believe it is my great grandmother's son. I have been trying to find >> his birth/baptism record. I'm not sure I understand a legitimization. >> Who would be making him Legitimate? Is someone adopting him? If he was >> Pai incognito then how does he get Legitimate? >> The mother's and neta materna names match. >> I can send it to Joao if it's to much I understand. I thought I would >> try here first. >> >> Thx >> Liz >> >> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> You know this is a legitimization right? Is that what you are after? A >>> Manuel born to pai incognito? I don't want to translate it if you didn't >>> mean to be in the legitimizations. What info can you read and what info do >>> you need from it? >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Elizabeth Migliori <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ- >>>> SAOJOAO-L-1884-1884/PIC-LJ-SAOJOAO-L-1884-1884_item1/P5.html >>>> >>>> Would someone please translate this doc for me... Manuel left side half >>>> way down but then goes to next page. >>>> >>>> Thank you in advance >>>> >>>> Liz >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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