I did not really think mine would have been at that end of the island.
OH Well

On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Marilyn, mine is from Norte Grande and he was still married to the same
> wife when he died at age 86. That's the trouble with Portuguese research,
> so many with the same names it's just gets so crazy!
>
> Rosemarie
> [email protected]
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 5:35 PM, Marilyn Thompson <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Mine are probably just the same name but different persons from the other
>> end of the island
>>
>> Marilyn
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 3:51 PM, nancy jean baptiste <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Mine was married to Teresa Maria de Jesus...I descend from Joao de Sousa
>>> Machado and Teresa's son, Joao Inacio de Sousa, b. 9-7-1736 in Norte
>>> Grande....married first time, 7-12-1762 to
>>>
>>> Maria Bernarda Poderosa,  and 2nd time to his son-in-laws sister, Joanna
>>> Maciel Alvares.
>>>
>>>
>>> Nancy Jean
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of
>>> Marilyn Thompson <[email protected]>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 1, 2017 3:45:14 PM
>>> *To:* Cheri Mello
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dissertation on São Jorge Velas
>>> society and culture
>>>
>>> I am going to chime in also. I have two Joao de Souza Machado's in my
>>> data base. What is the time period you are talking about?
>>> Mine are father and son. The information I have is at the other end of
>>> the island, Ribeira Seca and Topo. It maybe 2 others by the same name.
>>> Joao deSouza Machado b abt 1765 Ribeira Seca m 22 Apr 1789 Topo to Maria
>>> Antonia de  Azevedo b Topo ( I must not have this baptism yet)
>>>        son: Joao deSouza Machado b 12 Feb 1799 Topo m 17 Nov 1823 Topo
>>> to Maria Delfina de Santo Antonio b 17 Feb 1801
>>> and son: Manuel b 18 Nov 1791 Topo
>>> The younger Joao deSouza Machado's brother is Manuel Joao Machado *(My
>>> direct line)* B 12 Sep 1824 Topo m 24 Sep 1849 to Isabel Joaquina b 23
>>> Jan 1828 Ribeira Seca
>>>
>>> Marilyn
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Victor Soares <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nancy - you can delete everything after pg. 128 and then upload it to
>>>> Google Translate: https://translate.google.com/?tr=f&hl=en
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 12:00 PM nancy jean baptiste <
>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh dear....
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf
>>>>> of Cheri Mello <[email protected]>
>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 1, 2017 1:58:31 PM
>>>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>>>>>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dissertation on São Jorge Velas
>>>>> society and culture
>>>>> Convert it to Word and run portions of it through an auto-translator.
>>>>> It says it's 310 pages, so that's a lot to translate. I don't have the
>>>>> ability to convert it to word, but Adobe Reader DC says that for a fee it
>>>>> can be converted to Word.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 11:46 AM, nancy jean baptiste <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried auto translate to English with no luck.....any suggestions?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nancy
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf
>>>>> of Victor Soares <[email protected]>
>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 1, 2017 1:17:27 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dissertation on São Jorge Velas
>>>>> society and culture
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, that's the João de Sousa Machado that I'm referring to.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 11:00 AM Rosemarie Capodicci <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Is Joao de Sousa Machado married to Josepha de Sao Joao? They had 6
>>>>> children that I know of but I only have mariages for my Domingos Antonio 
>>>>> de
>>>>> Sousa and his brother Antonio Sousa Machado married to Maria Inacia de
>>>>> Azevedo, all of Norte Grande, Sao Jorge. There are four other sibs that I
>>>>> don't have marriages for yet, I usually didn't look for them all and only
>>>>> recorded what I found while searching for my direct line.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rosemarie
>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 10:42 AM, nancy jean baptiste <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> OMG! I wonder if this is our common ancestor! I haven't read it yet
>>>>> but soon! I have a Joao de Sousa Machado too! This is on my direct 
>>>>> maternal
>>>>> line and the women crry the Bernarda! Can't wait to check!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nancy Jean!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf
>>>>> of Rosemarie Capodicci <[email protected]>
>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 1, 2017 11:18:17 AM
>>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dissertation on São Jorge Velas
>>>>> society and culture
>>>>>
>>>>> OMGosh, Victor, this is amazing! I knew Bernarda Rosa was going to
>>>>> lead me somewhere one day! LOL Her name was so unusual that I made a note
>>>>> of it and eventually she turned out to be a greatgrandmother along with 
>>>>> her
>>>>> husband, Domingos Antonio de Sousa! Thank you so much for this info, I 
>>>>> will
>>>>> enjoy reading about my ancestor in other than church records.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rosemarie
>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 9:10 AM, Victor Soares <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I came across this Masters dissertation by Rui Duarte Brasil Marques, 
>>>>> *Society
>>>>> and economy of the council of Velos in the 18th-19th centuries*
>>>>> <https://sigarra.up.pt/flup/pt/pub_geral.show_file?pi_gdoc_id=726788>,
>>>>> while searching for a name that appears in the obituary of João de
>>>>> Sousa Machado
>>>>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-O-1780-1797/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-O-1780-1797_item1/P252.html>
>>>>> on my direct paternal line. (@Rosemarie Capodicci - this is one of our
>>>>> common ancestors)
>>>>>
>>>>> It's amazing to read about things like land ownership, agriculture,
>>>>> aristocracy, living conditions, etc. Most relevant to the people on this
>>>>> list is the mention of various names. For example, on pg. 55, it contains 
>>>>> a
>>>>> description of a typical land lease using one of my ancestors' contracts:
>>>>>
>>>>>    - *The new renters, Bernarda Rosa, widow of Domingos António, and
>>>>>    her son Domingos António de Sousa during 6 years had to pay annually in
>>>>>    cash 140,000 reis and in goods 18 cheeses of 4 pounds each, 3 of 10 
>>>>> pounds
>>>>>    and 8 barrels(?) of butter.*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There are many other names in this dissertation so if your lines lead
>>>>> you to the council of Velas in São Jorge you should search through the
>>>>> dissertation. You may even find the design an ancestor used for branding
>>>>> their livestock!
>>>>>
>>>>> -Victor Soares
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