Hi Doreen,
I found to, and I have a lot informatins about their parents. I send you
another day, because my bdd is on another computer forbidden of internet (hi
hi).
But, I search more about Francisco Correa Romeiro e Maria Augusta.On the batism
of Maria, her maternal grandparents are Francisco Coelho Pinheiro and Gertrudes
Candidad do Coraçao de Jesus. I have a Francisco Gonçalves Pinheiro and
Gertrudes Candida married in Altares on 14 june 1835 ((img 36). This Francisco
have a Nicolau Borges Coelho (3th grand father). Perhaps, he is the father of
Maria Augusta.
Paternal grandparents of Maria are Silvestre Correa Roeiro and Francisca de
Jesus. Their marriage is in Altares on é& junes 1845 (img 17); The parents of
Francisca de Jesus are José NUNES do COUTO (like Francisco sometimes).
Silvester is widow of Maria Vicência, and i Don't found this marriage. Maria
Vicencia died on11 march 1845, with 23 years old. Then she married a littel
time before 1845.I searched a Silvestre in Altares, name no frequent. And in my
bdd I have a Silvestre born in Altares, on 31 december 1809 (img 114). His
parents are Filipe Romeiro and Maria de Jesus. And his paternam grandparents
are José CORREIA ROMEIRO and Maria Josefa. Then, this Silvestre is probably our
Silvestre CORREIA ROMEIRO.All of them I have ascendents until the 6th or 9th
generation.
Philippe Garnier Paris - France Familias da ilha Terceira
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Familias da ilha Terceira : Francisco Ferreira Dormonde (Ormonde, Armond)
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Em quarta-feira, 26 de setembro de 2018 01:18:18 GMT+2,
<[email protected]> escreveu:
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Great. I have continued to research these lines.
I found the marriage record for Antonio Coelho Berbereia’s parents, Jose Coelho
de Melo Machado and Isabel de Jesus.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1860-1869/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1860-1869_item1/P29.html
Do not have Isabel de Jesus’s baptism record but her parents are Antonio
Ferreira Coelho and Antonia Narcisa and here’s the link to their marriage record
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1831-1843/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1831-1843_item1/P41.html
I also have the marriage records for their parents but will post tomorrow. I
need to get off the computer right now.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: 'Philippe GARNIER' via Azores Genealogy
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:26 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Big Problems with Altares line which
keepschanging names
Dear Dorreen,
It's interesting. I have not this one on my bdd. I'll do research and see if I
can answer.
Abraços
Philippe Garnier
Paris - France
Em domingo, 23 de setembro de 2018 19:19:57 GMT+2, [email protected]
<[email protected]> escreveu:
Well where to begin…I’m trying to help a DNA cousin develop their tree. Their
lineage goes through Antonio Coelho Berbereia and Maria do Espirito Santo.
Here’s is the link to their marriage record
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-C-1890-1899/TER-AH-RAMINHO-C-1890-1899_item1/P26.html
In this document it says his parents are Jose Coelho de Melo and Isabel de
Jesus and her parents are Francisco Correia Romeiro and Maria Augusta. I can
not find the marriage of these two couples.
I have found the baptism of Maria do Espirito Santo, on the bottom of right
side of the page on this link
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1870-1879/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1870-1879_item1/P134.html
Here’s the really big problem: the birth of their first child, Maria, shows the
grandparents to be parental Jose Coelho de Melo Machado and Isabel de Jesus and
maternal Francisco Nunes and Amelia Augusta.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1890-1899_item1/P71.html
Second child Jesuina’s record lists grandparents as paternal Jose Correia de
Melo Machado and Isabel de Jesus
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1890-1899_item1/P102.html
and so does the third child Esperanca’s record
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1890-1899_item1/P145.html
as well as the 4th and 5th children who are twins Francisco and Amelia’s
records.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1890-1899_item1/P183.html
Then there is a change: for the 6th child Paulina’s record says her paternal
grandparents are Jose Coelho Berbereia and Isabel de Jesus and her maternal
grandparents are Francisco Nunes do Coito and Maria Augusta.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911_item1/P31.html
Now the adding of the “do Coito” to Francisco Nunes seem likely since I saw
that surname on Amelia’s baptism as her godfather Manuel Nunes do Coito. Also I
have been trying to track the Jose Coelho Berbereia for year now who seems to
change his name to Jose Coelho de Melo and Jose Coelho de Melo Machado. This is
very confusing because I believe this Jose is the son of Jose Coelho de Melo
and Isabel de Jesus, which is the son of Jose Coelho de Melo and Isabel de
Jesus, which is the son of Jose Coelho de Melo and Isabel da Conceicao who also
uses Isabel de Jesus( my 2nd Great Grandparents, who is the son of Francisco
Jose Berbereia and Joana Antonia.
This change in their name continues through the rest of their children:
Paulina #2,
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911_item1/P69.html
Joao,
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911_item1/P95.html
Joao Baptista,
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911_item1/P116.html
Isabel
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911_item1/P140.html
and Alexandrina
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911_item1/P198.html
Questions:
DO YOU THINK THAT THE MARRIAGE RECORD HAS THE MISTAKE? OR IS THERE ANOTHER
REASON WHY THE BRIDE’S PARENTS ARE NOT THE MATERNAL GRANDPARENTS? hOW COMMON IS
IT TO HAVE A PERSON’S NAME CHANGE SO MANY TIMES (I’m speaking of Jose Coelho
(Correia) de Melo aka Jose Coelho de Melo Machado aka Jose Coelho Berbereia)
And is it just my luck or DO YOU THINK IT IS NOT LIKELY THAT ALL THESE JOSE
COELHO DE MELO(S) ALL MARRIED ISABEL DE JESUS(S)?
ANY FEEDBACK/DIRECTION/ADVISE/ETC WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.
Thanks, Doreen Caetano
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