Hello again Philippe, Ok Now let talk about Antonio Coelho Berbereia’s wife Maria do Espirito Santo. Here’s their marriage record: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-C-1890-1899/TER-AH-RAMINHO-C-1890-1899_item1/P26.html Her parents are listed as Francisco Correia Romeiro and Maria Augusta. There is the problem…In her first children’s baptisms it changes to Francisco Nunes and Amelia Augusta the later in her children’s baptism it is Francisco Nunes do Coito and Maria Augusta. She dies in 1918 so the record is not available online. Here is her baptism record if she is the daughter of Francisco Correia Romeiro and Maria Augusta: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1870-1879/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1870-1879_item1/P134.html It says her paternal grandparents are Silvestre Correia Romeiro and Francisco de Jesus and her maternal grandparents are Francisco Coelho Pinheiro and Gertrudes Candida do Coracao de Jesus. Her godparents are Francisco Coelho Pinheiro, married and Maria do Espirito Santo, single. Thank you for the location of the marriage record for her paternal grandparents Silvestre Correia Romeiro and Francisca de Jesus. This is Silvestre second marriage. His first marriage was to Maria Vicencia. Silvestre is the son of Filipe Romeiro and Maria de Jesus and Francisca is the daughter of Jose Nunes do Couto and Catarina de Jesus. Thank you for the location of the marriage records of her maternal grandparents: Francisco Coelho Pinheiro and Gertrudes Candida, Francisco Coelho Pinheiro is the son of Mateus Goncalves Pinheiro and Florencia Rosa and Gertrudes is the daughter of Sebastiao Coelho da Costa, deceased and Margarida de Jesus. Everything from this point back in time is your information.
Discussion: 1. What about the information from the children’s baptism records that indicate the maternal grandparents as Francisco Nunes do Couto and Maria Augusta or Amelia Augusta? The reason I ask is because several of the children have godparents with the surname “do Couto”. (Amelia born Raminho, 11/27/1899 godparents Manuel Nunes do Couto, business owner and Maria de Jesus (I believe they are married) & Paulina born Raminho 6/6/1901 godparents Jose Nunes do Coito Jr., single worker and Alexandria Augusta, single.) Let’s assume that these godparents are related to the mother of these children. If Francisco Correia Romeiro and Maria Augusta are the mother’s parents then these men would probably be the mother’s father’s maternal uncles (Grand Uncles) or at best First Cousins to the mother. Thus these men would be Great Grand Uncles or 2nd cousin once removed to the child being baptized. If the mother is the child of Francisco Nunes do Couto and Amelia or Maria Augusta then these men could be her brothers and then a Uncle to the child being baptized. 2. Could Maria do Espirito Santo have made a mistake on her parent’s names on every one of her children’s baptism records? Or was it the marriage record that had the mistake? 3. Also I have looked for Francisco Nunes do Couto and Amelia Augusta or Maria Augusta and have not been able to find heir information. But we can find Francisco Correia Romeiro and Maria Augusta. Could this just be another case where the man changes his name after awhile? I want to thank you for your help. Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: 'Philippe GARNIER' via Azores Genealogy Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 6:08 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Big Problems with Altares line whichkeepschanging names Hi Doreen, I found to, and I have a lot informatins about their parents. I send you another day, because my bdd is on another computer forbidden of internet (hi hi). But, I search more about Francisco Correa Romeiro e Maria Augusta. On the batism of Maria, her maternal grandparents are Francisco Coelho Pinheiro and Gertrudes Candidad do Coraçao de Jesus. I have a Francisco Gonçalves Pinheiro and Gertrudes Candida married in Altares on 14 june 1835 ((img 36). This Francisco have a Nicolau Borges Coelho (3th grand father). Perhaps, he is the father of Maria Augusta. Paternal grandparents of Maria are Silvestre Correa Roeiro and Francisca de Jesus. Their marriage is in Altares on é& junes 1845 (img 17); The parents of Francisca de Jesus are José NUNES do COUTO (like Francisco sometimes). Silvester is widow of Maria Vicência, and i Don't found this marriage. Maria Vicencia died on11 march 1845, with 23 years old. Then she married a littel time before 1845. I searched a Silvestre in Altares, name no frequent. And in my bdd I have a Silvestre born in Altares, on 31 december 1809 (img 114). His parents are Filipe Romeiro and Maria de Jesus. And his paternam grandparents are José CORREIA ROMEIRO and Maria Josefa. Then, this Silvestre is probably our Silvestre CORREIA ROMEIRO. All of them I have ascendents until the 6th or 9th generation. Philippe Garnier Paris - France Familias da ilha Terceira Familias da ilha Terceira Familias da ilha Terceira : Francisco Ferreira Dormonde (Ormonde, Armond) Aleixo Pacheo de Lima Manoel de Ponte ... Em quarta-feira, 26 de setembro de 2018 01:18:18 GMT+2, <[email protected]> escreveu: Great. I have continued to research these lines. I found the marriage record for Antonio Coelho Berbereia’s parents, Jose Coelho de Melo Machado and Isabel de Jesus. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1860-1869/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1860-1869_item1/P29.html Do not have Isabel de Jesus’s baptism record but her parents are Antonio Ferreira Coelho and Antonia Narcisa and here’s the link to their marriage record http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1831-1843/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1831-1843_item1/P41.html I also have the marriage records for their parents but will post tomorrow. I need to get off the computer right now. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: 'Philippe GARNIER' via Azores Genealogy Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:26 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Big Problems with Altares line which keepschanging names Dear Dorreen, It's interesting. I have not this one on my bdd. I'll do research and see if I can answer. Abraços Philippe Garnier Paris - France Em domingo, 23 de setembro de 2018 19:19:57 GMT+2, [email protected] <[email protected]> escreveu: Well where to begin…I’m trying to help a DNA cousin develop their tree. Their lineage goes through Antonio Coelho Berbereia and Maria do Espirito Santo. Here’s is the link to their marriage record http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-C-1890-1899/TER-AH-RAMINHO-C-1890-1899_item1/P26.html In this document it says his parents are Jose Coelho de Melo and Isabel de Jesus and her parents are Francisco Correia Romeiro and Maria Augusta. I can not find the marriage of these two couples. I have found the baptism of Maria do Espirito Santo, on the bottom of right side of the page on this link http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1870-1879/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1870-1879_item1/P134.html Here’s the really big problem: the birth of their first child, Maria, shows the grandparents to be parental Jose Coelho de Melo Machado and Isabel de Jesus and maternal Francisco Nunes and Amelia Augusta. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1890-1899_item1/P71.html Second child Jesuina’s record lists grandparents as paternal Jose Correia de Melo Machado and Isabel de Jesus http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1890-1899_item1/P102.html and so does the third child Esperanca’s record http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1890-1899_item1/P145.html as well as the 4th and 5th children who are twins Francisco and Amelia’s records. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1890-1899_item1/P183.html Then there is a change: for the 6th child Paulina’s record says her paternal grandparents are Jose Coelho Berbereia and Isabel de Jesus and her maternal grandparents are Francisco Nunes do Coito and Maria Augusta. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911_item1/P31.html Now the adding of the “do Coito” to Francisco Nunes seem likely since I saw that surname on Amelia’s baptism as her godfather Manuel Nunes do Coito. Also I have been trying to track the Jose Coelho Berbereia for year now who seems to change his name to Jose Coelho de Melo and Jose Coelho de Melo Machado. This is very confusing because I believe this Jose is the son of Jose Coelho de Melo and Isabel de Jesus, which is the son of Jose Coelho de Melo and Isabel de Jesus, which is the son of Jose Coelho de Melo and Isabel da Conceicao who also uses Isabel de Jesus( my 2nd Great Grandparents, who is the son of Francisco Jose Berbereia and Joana Antonia. This change in their name continues through the rest of their children: Paulina #2, http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911_item1/P69.html Joao, http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911_item1/P95.html Joao Baptista, http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911_item1/P116.html Isabel http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911_item1/P140.html and Alexandrina http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RAMINHO-B-1900-1911_item1/P198.html Questions: DO YOU THINK THAT THE MARRIAGE RECORD HAS THE MISTAKE? OR IS THERE ANOTHER REASON WHY THE BRIDE’S PARENTS ARE NOT THE MATERNAL GRANDPARENTS? hOW COMMON IS IT TO HAVE A PERSON’S NAME CHANGE SO MANY TIMES (I’m speaking of Jose Coelho (Correia) de Melo aka Jose Coelho de Melo Machado aka Jose Coelho Berbereia) And is it just my luck or DO YOU THINK IT IS NOT LIKELY THAT ALL THESE JOSE COELHO DE MELO(S) ALL MARRIED ISABEL DE JESUS(S)? ANY FEEDBACK/DIRECTION/ADVISE/ETC WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. Thanks, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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