Hi Francisco, I'm glad you're here sharing yuur experience with us!
I really think that there will be a day when English spokesmen will be able
to buy these books in an English version, people just need to know they
exist and the added value they bring to our portuguese Genealogy
researches.
A sexta, 22 de mar de 2019, 19:51, Genealogia sem segredos <
genealogiasemsegre...@gmail.com> escreveu:
> Dear Angela;
>
> Thank you very much for your kind words.
>
> The subject of Names is much more complex than what is said in the
> abovementioned book. We made it a little bit too simple. We had to, because
> that was just a small part of the book.
>
> That is why me and Cristina we are writing down a second book, only on
> Names, Surnames, Nicknames, and so on. This second book is harder. We are
> working on it for more than 2 years…
>
> Unfortunately, I doubt that this new work, like the first one, will ever
> be published in other language aside from Portuguese. But we have to keep
> on trying.
>
> Francisco
>
>
>
> Francisco Queiroz
> ("Genealogia sem segredos" researcher)
>
>
>
>
> Ângela Loura <angelalo...@gmail.com> escreveu no dia sexta, 22/03/2019
> à(s) 01:03:
>
>> « Um segundo nome de devoção podemos considerá-lo como apelido se este
>> provinha das gerações anteriores e/ou foi repetidamente usado na mesma
>> família em gerações seguintes. Porém, estes segundos nomes próprios de
>> devoção muitas vezes não constituíam apelidos e, *sobretudo no caso das
>> mulheres, até eram dos que mais vezes se abandonavam ou trocavam, ao longo
>> da vida. Daí uma hipotética Maria, filha de Miguel Lobo e de Ana do
>> Rosário, poder surgir no seu casamento como Maria do Sacramento e sem
>> qualquer apelido; no seu óbito como Maria Loba; e no baptismo de um neto -
>> quando ela já era falecida - como Maria do Rosário.* Caso haja lacunas
>> documentais, estas alterações fazem mesmo duvidar que estejamos perante o
>> mesmo indivíduo.»
>> - QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, «DESCUBRA AS SUAS ORIGENS -
>> Manual de Genealogia e História da Família», 2016, Esfera dos Livros,
>> página 207.
>>
>> This book has been my Genealogy Bible for the last 3 years, and a true
>> life saver when it comes to overcome brickwalls in my researches.
>>
>> Ângela Loura <angelalo...@gmail.com> escreveu no dia quarta, 20/03/2019
>> à(s) 14:36:
>>
>>> I don't think the main name of the person (female) changes. The only
>>> changes I found so far is in the religious name (usually the second name
>>> added to the main name). For example, Maria das Dores turning into Maria da
>>> Assunção. I don't know why they would change it, but since it usually
>>> didn't even appear in the baptism record (only Maria), maybe there's
>>> (option 1:) no real meaning/importance given to the name - the worst
>>> religious names I've seen so far are the ones given to expostos without a
>>> previous name -, or (option 2:) there was a more complex importance we
>>> still haven't figured out.
>>> I will check the "Descubra as suas origens" manual when I get home to
>>> see if the authors refer anything about this.
>>>
>>> A quarta, 20 de mar de 2019, 14:26, nancy jean baptiste <
>>> fishsongf...@hotmail.com> escreveu:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> In some ways the same names is helpful to link to families. The Sao
>>>> Jorge index makes it so easy to skim for "Silveira de Lemos" or variation
>>>> thereof and "de Jesus" women or in my mom's line "Bernarda"......but, in
>>>> other cases it's horribly confusing....ie: my great grand father from
>>>> Candelaria took the surname Cardoso while his brother took Silva.......why?
>>>> Who know's?
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy the puzzle!
>>>> Nancy Jean
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com <azores@googlegroups.com> on behalf of
>>>> Leonor Bertoni <leonor.bert...@gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:00 PM
>>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>>>
>>>> Sam, what I have been finding a lot of is sons taking on their father's
>>>> first name as their last name. For example Nicolau do Rego's son will be
>>>> João do Rego Nicolau.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 21:58, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Rick. I get it now. All these same names are driving me
>>>> nutso. Add to that the marrying of cousins and it sure does get crazy!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From: *Richard Francis Pimentel <richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 5:32 PM
>>>> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
>>>> *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Not exactly. If the Bride was Maria and the MIL was Francisca Rosa.
>>>> The bride might take the name Maria Rosa or Maria Francisca. I cannot
>>>> recall if I have seen the bride change her baptismal name. *
>>>>
>>>> *Rick*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 6:32 PM
>>>> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
>>>> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rick; Do you mean that a bride of one name say, Ana Francisca would
>>>> marry and change her name to her mother-in-laws say Jacintha Maria? Talk
>>>> about making our job of tracing our ancestors harder! Not to mention, talk
>>>> about a “kiss up”! LOL!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mary, Yes, it sure does make it harder to know what is what. I’m
>>>> trying to fill in the different branches of my tree and didn’t really count
>>>> on tracking down all the marriages and obits, etc. Was hoping to do it
>>>> just through births/baptisms. Oh well, I never really expected to finish
>>>> my tree!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks guys,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From: *Richard Francis Pimentel <richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:04 PM
>>>> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
>>>> *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Sam, Yes I have noticed that. I kind of think the bride sometimes took
>>>> her mother in law’s name as a means to be accepted into the family better.
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Rick*
>>>>
>>>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>>>
>>>> *Epping, NH*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:46 PM
>>>> *To:* genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
>>>> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello all; Has anyone else noticed how very, very often the names of
>>>> the bride and or of the mother’s in law are exactly the same? i.e.
>>>> Bernardina Jacintha, Anna Filomena, etc. Record after record, though not
>>>> all of them of course, have the bride and her mother with exactly the same
>>>> name and sometimes all three women in the record have the same name. It
>>>> just makes me worry that the priest has been “tippling” the vino… I know
>>>> certain names were very common but; it seems to be more than that….
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just wondering…
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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