Some small changes: “A second name of devotion may be regarded as a last name if it came from previous generations and / or was repeatedly used in the same family in subsequent generations. However, these second main/first names of devotion often were not last names and, especially in the case of women, were even the most often abandoned or exchanged throughout life. Hence a hypothetical Maria, daughter of Miguel Lobo and Ana do Rosário, would appear in her marriage like Maria do Sacramento and without any last name; in her death as Maria Loba; and at the baptism of a grandson - when she was already deceased - like Maria do Rosário. If there are documental gaps, these changes make us doubt that we are before the same individual. " - QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, «DISCOVER YOUR ORIGINS - Genealogy and Family History Manual», 2016, Esfera dos Livros , page 207.
A sexta, 22 de mar de 2019, 03:18, JesseAndDeborah Mendonca < [email protected]> escreveu: > Angela, I had to get that translated. :) > > “A second name of devotion may be regarded as a nickname if it came from > previous generations and / or was repeatedly used in the same family in > subsequent generations. However, these second proper names of devotion > often were not nicknames and, especially in the case of women, were even > the most often abandoned or exchanged throughout life. Hence a hypothetical > Maria, daughter of Miguel Lobo and Ana of the Rosary, to be able to appear > in its marriage like Maria of the Sacrament and without any nickname; in > his death as Maria Loba; and at the baptism of a grandson - when she was > already deceased - like Maria do Rosário. If there are documentary gaps, > these changes make us doubt that we are before the same individual. " > - QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, «DISCOVER THEIR ORIGINS - > Genealogy and Family History Manual», 2016, Sphere of Books, page 207. > > > > > On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 6:03 PM Ângela Loura <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> « Um segundo nome de devoção podemos considerá-lo como apelido se este >> provinha das gerações anteriores e/ou foi repetidamente usado na mesma >> família em gerações seguintes. Porém, estes segundos nomes próprios de >> devoção muitas vezes não constituíam apelidos e, *sobretudo no caso das >> mulheres, até eram dos que mais vezes se abandonavam ou trocavam, ao longo >> da vida. Daí uma hipotética Maria, filha de Miguel Lobo e de Ana do >> Rosário, poder surgir no seu casamento como Maria do Sacramento e sem >> qualquer apelido; no seu óbito como Maria Loba; e no baptismo de um neto - >> quando ela já era falecida - como Maria do Rosário.* Caso haja lacunas >> documentais, estas alterações fazem mesmo duvidar que estejamos perante o >> mesmo indivíduo.» >> - QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, «DESCUBRA AS SUAS ORIGENS - >> Manual de Genealogia e História da Família», 2016, Esfera dos Livros, >> página 207. >> >> This book has been my Genealogy Bible for the last 3 years, and a true >> life saver when it comes to overcome brickwalls in my researches. >> >> Ângela Loura <[email protected]> escreveu no dia quarta, 20/03/2019 >> à(s) 14:36: >> >>> I don't think the main name of the person (female) changes. The only >>> changes I found so far is in the religious name (usually the second name >>> added to the main name). For example, Maria das Dores turning into Maria da >>> Assunção. I don't know why they would change it, but since it usually >>> didn't even appear in the baptism record (only Maria), maybe there's >>> (option 1:) no real meaning/importance given to the name - the worst >>> religious names I've seen so far are the ones given to expostos without a >>> previous name -, or (option 2:) there was a more complex importance we >>> still haven't figured out. >>> I will check the "Descubra as suas origens" manual when I get home to >>> see if the authors refer anything about this. >>> >>> A quarta, 20 de mar de 2019, 14:26, nancy jean baptiste < >>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> In some ways the same names is helpful to link to families. The Sao >>>> Jorge index makes it so easy to skim for "Silveira de Lemos" or variation >>>> thereof and "de Jesus" women or in my mom's line "Bernarda"......but, in >>>> other cases it's horribly confusing....ie: my great grand father from >>>> Candelaria took the surname Cardoso while his brother took Silva.......why? >>>> Who know's? >>>> >>>> Enjoy the puzzle! >>>> Nancy Jean >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of >>>> Leonor Bertoni <[email protected]> >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:00 PM >>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria) >>>> >>>> Sam, what I have been finding a lot of is sons taking on their father's >>>> first name as their last name. For example Nicolau do Rego's son will be >>>> João do Rego Nicolau. >>>> >>>> On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 21:58, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks Rick. I get it now. All these same names are driving me >>>> nutso. Add to that the marrying of cousins and it sure does get crazy! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From: *Richard Francis Pimentel <[email protected]> >>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 5:32 PM >>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>> *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Not exactly. If the Bride was Maria and the MIL was Francisca Rosa. >>>> The bride might take the name Maria Rosa or Maria Francisca. I cannot >>>> recall if I have seen the bride change her baptismal name. * >>>> >>>> *Rick* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 6:32 PM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rick; Do you mean that a bride of one name say, Ana Francisca would >>>> marry and change her name to her mother-in-laws say Jacintha Maria? Talk >>>> about making our job of tracing our ancestors harder! Not to mention, talk >>>> about a “kiss up”! LOL! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mary, Yes, it sure does make it harder to know what is what. I’m >>>> trying to fill in the different branches of my tree and didn’t really count >>>> on tracking down all the marriages and obits, etc. Was hoping to do it >>>> just through births/baptisms. Oh well, I never really expected to finish >>>> my tree! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks guys, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From: *Richard Francis Pimentel <[email protected]> >>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:04 PM >>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>> *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Sam, Yes I have noticed that. I kind of think the bride sometimes took >>>> her mother in law’s name as a means to be accepted into the family better. >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Rick* >>>> >>>> *Richard Francis Pimentel* >>>> >>>> *Epping, NH* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:46 PM >>>> *To:* genealogy <[email protected]> >>>> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello all; Has anyone else noticed how very, very often the names of >>>> the bride and or of the mother’s in law are exactly the same? i.e. >>>> Bernardina Jacintha, Anna Filomena, etc. Record after record, though not >>>> all of them of course, have the bride and her mother with exactly the same >>>> name and sometimes all three women in the record have the same name. It >>>> just makes me worry that the priest has been “tippling” the vino… I know >>>> certain names were very common but; it seems to be more than that…. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Just wondering… >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [image: >>>> https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] >>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> >>>> >>>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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