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Rosemarie [email protected] Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 12:50 PM Ângela Loura <[email protected]> wrote: > Some small changes: > > “A second name of devotion may be regarded as a last name if it came from > previous generations and / or was repeatedly used in the same family in > subsequent generations. However, these second main/first names of devotion > often were not last names and, especially in the case of women, were even > the most often abandoned or exchanged throughout life. Hence a hypothetical > Maria, daughter of Miguel Lobo and Ana do Rosário, would appear in her > marriage like Maria do Sacramento and without any last name; in her death > as Maria Loba; and at the baptism of a grandson - when she was already > deceased - like Maria do Rosário. If there are documental gaps, these > changes make us doubt that we are before the same individual. " > - QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, «DISCOVER YOUR ORIGINS - > Genealogy and Family History Manual», 2016, Esfera dos Livros , page 207. > > > A sexta, 22 de mar de 2019, 03:18, JesseAndDeborah Mendonca < > [email protected]> escreveu: > >> Angela, I had to get that translated. :) >> >> “A second name of devotion may be regarded as a nickname if it came from >> previous generations and / or was repeatedly used in the same family in >> subsequent generations. However, these second proper names of devotion >> often were not nicknames and, especially in the case of women, were even >> the most often abandoned or exchanged throughout life. Hence a hypothetical >> Maria, daughter of Miguel Lobo and Ana of the Rosary, to be able to appear >> in its marriage like Maria of the Sacrament and without any nickname; in >> his death as Maria Loba; and at the baptism of a grandson - when she was >> already deceased - like Maria do Rosário. If there are documentary gaps, >> these changes make us doubt that we are before the same individual. " >> - QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, «DISCOVER THEIR ORIGINS - >> Genealogy and Family History Manual», 2016, Sphere of Books, page 207. >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 6:03 PM Ângela Loura <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> « Um segundo nome de devoção podemos considerá-lo como apelido se este >>> provinha das gerações anteriores e/ou foi repetidamente usado na mesma >>> família em gerações seguintes. Porém, estes segundos nomes próprios de >>> devoção muitas vezes não constituíam apelidos e, *sobretudo no caso das >>> mulheres, até eram dos que mais vezes se abandonavam ou trocavam, ao longo >>> da vida. Daí uma hipotética Maria, filha de Miguel Lobo e de Ana do >>> Rosário, poder surgir no seu casamento como Maria do Sacramento e sem >>> qualquer apelido; no seu óbito como Maria Loba; e no baptismo de um neto - >>> quando ela já era falecida - como Maria do Rosário.* Caso haja lacunas >>> documentais, estas alterações fazem mesmo duvidar que estejamos perante o >>> mesmo indivíduo.» >>> - QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, «DESCUBRA AS SUAS ORIGENS - >>> Manual de Genealogia e História da Família», 2016, Esfera dos Livros, >>> página 207. >>> >>> This book has been my Genealogy Bible for the last 3 years, and a true >>> life saver when it comes to overcome brickwalls in my researches. >>> >>> Ângela Loura <[email protected]> escreveu no dia quarta, 20/03/2019 >>> à(s) 14:36: >>> >>>> I don't think the main name of the person (female) changes. The only >>>> changes I found so far is in the religious name (usually the second name >>>> added to the main name). For example, Maria das Dores turning into Maria da >>>> Assunção. I don't know why they would change it, but since it usually >>>> didn't even appear in the baptism record (only Maria), maybe there's >>>> (option 1:) no real meaning/importance given to the name - the worst >>>> religious names I've seen so far are the ones given to expostos without a >>>> previous name -, or (option 2:) there was a more complex importance we >>>> still haven't figured out. >>>> I will check the "Descubra as suas origens" manual when I get home to >>>> see if the authors refer anything about this. >>>> >>>> A quarta, 20 de mar de 2019, 14:26, nancy jean baptiste < >>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> In some ways the same names is helpful to link to families. The Sao >>>>> Jorge index makes it so easy to skim for "Silveira de Lemos" or variation >>>>> thereof and "de Jesus" women or in my mom's line "Bernarda"......but, in >>>>> other cases it's horribly confusing....ie: my great grand father from >>>>> Candelaria took the surname Cardoso while his brother took >>>>> Silva.......why? >>>>> Who know's? >>>>> >>>>> Enjoy the puzzle! >>>>> Nancy Jean >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf >>>>> of Leonor Bertoni <[email protected]> >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:00 PM >>>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria) >>>>> >>>>> Sam, what I have been finding a lot of is sons taking on their >>>>> father's first name as their last name. For example Nicolau do Rego's son >>>>> will be João do Rego Nicolau. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 21:58, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks Rick. I get it now. All these same names are driving me >>>>> nutso. Add to that the marrying of cousins and it sure does get crazy! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From: *Richard Francis Pimentel <[email protected]> >>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 5:32 PM >>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>> *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Not exactly. If the Bride was Maria and the MIL was Francisca Rosa. >>>>> The bride might take the name Maria Rosa or Maria Francisca. I cannot >>>>> recall if I have seen the bride change her baptismal name. * >>>>> >>>>> *Rick* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 6:32 PM >>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rick; Do you mean that a bride of one name say, Ana Francisca would >>>>> marry and change her name to her mother-in-laws say Jacintha Maria? Talk >>>>> about making our job of tracing our ancestors harder! Not to mention, >>>>> talk >>>>> about a “kiss up”! LOL! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mary, Yes, it sure does make it harder to know what is what. I’m >>>>> trying to fill in the different branches of my tree and didn’t really >>>>> count >>>>> on tracking down all the marriages and obits, etc. Was hoping to do it >>>>> just through births/baptisms. Oh well, I never really expected to finish >>>>> my tree! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks guys, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From: *Richard Francis Pimentel <[email protected]> >>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:04 PM >>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>> *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Sam, Yes I have noticed that. I kind of think the bride sometimes >>>>> took her mother in law’s name as a means to be accepted into the family >>>>> better. * >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Rick* >>>>> >>>>> *Richard Francis Pimentel* >>>>> >>>>> *Epping, NH* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:46 PM >>>>> *To:* genealogy <[email protected]> >>>>> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Names (Santa Maria) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello all; Has anyone else noticed how very, very often the names of >>>>> the bride and or of the mother’s in law are exactly the same? i.e. >>>>> Bernardina Jacintha, Anna Filomena, etc. Record after record, though not >>>>> all of them of course, have the bride and her mother with exactly the same >>>>> name and sometimes all three women in the record have the same name. It >>>>> just makes me worry that the priest has been “tippling” the vino… I >>>>> know >>>>> certain names were very common but; it seems to be more than that…. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Just wondering… >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [image: >>>>> https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] >>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> >>>>> >>>>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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