I am pretty sure, as Cheri said that Manuel and Mariana married circa 1774, in Sao Pedro, Vila Franca, about one before they married. Those records in that time period are missing:
In VFSP casamentos, pages 153-170 are missing and they cover period April- 1770 to April- 1777 Found all the Manuel's and Mariana's in the respective time period of their approximate birthdates. The problem is there is no link or piece of evidence that could tie them to definitive parents. For Manuel, Furtado is too common (many Manuel's) and Mariana could be the daughter of at least three different sets of parents in VFSP. If Mariana had stayed in VFSP, it would be possible through siblings to establish her parentage. But they went from Sao Pedro, to Matriz, to Ponta Garca. JR On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 7:27:56 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: > > Hi Terri, > I'm not at home and can't quite read them on my cell, but I do know I have > their deaths. Manuel died at the Santa Casa de Misercordia in Vila Franca. > Mariana da Trindade died in R. Quente. Neither of the deaths mentioned > their parents (many deaths don't mention the parents). It's trying to find > their parents. The pages in the marriage book are missing. We can use Y-DNA > to help with Manuel. I need to find someone. Using autosomal or Family > Finder is going to be a little tougher. A lot of endogamy to deal with. > Cheri > > On Mon, May 13, 2019, 2:44 PM Terri Santos <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> Not sure if you had this info already or not Cheri. >> I found this today and wondered if it could be the death records for your >> Manuel Furtado and Marianna da Trindade. >> I think Marianna's is right....but with the one for Manuel, it says his >> wife's name was Marianna da Piedade. Did you find her name as such anywhere >> on the childrens records? >> well...take a look and see..... >> >> Obito for Marianna da Trindade >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-O-1811-1848/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-O-1811-1848_item1/P56.html >> >> Obito for Manuel Furtado (husband of Marianna da Piedade) >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-O-1811-1848/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-O-1811-1848_item1/P23.html >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 9:50:06 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: >>> >>> Hi Todd, >>> >>> Nope, not yet. They HAD to be SOMEONE'S godparents! Something! >>> Cheri >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 6:42 PM brownat68 <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Cheri, >>>> >>>> Did you ever find Manuel and Mariana's parents? >>>> >>>> Todd >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 6:54:11 AM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The Catholic Church required the dispensations. My greats had a >>>>> dispensation in New Bedford, Massachusetts. But, in America, it was just >>>>> a >>>>> side note in the marriage book. I don't know that dispensation packets >>>>> exist. I took pictures of the ones in the Azores and will upload in a >>>>> week >>>>> or 2. 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