Yep, and I looked at all the godparents too of their kids. I think each was different and no one seemed to be related. I think I may have 3 or 4 possible candidates for Mariana. For Manuel, it will have to be DNA for sure. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 5:40 PM JR <[email protected]> wrote: > I am pretty sure, as Cheri said that Manuel and Mariana married circa > 1774, in Sao Pedro, Vila Franca, about one before they married. Those > records in that time period are missing: > > In VFSP casamentos, pages 153-170 are missing and they cover period April- > 1770 to April- 1777 > > Found all the Manuel's and Mariana's in the respective time period of > their approximate birthdates. The problem is there is no link or piece of > evidence that could tie them to definitive parents. For Manuel, Furtado is > too common (many Manuel's) and Mariana could be the daughter of at least > three different sets of parents in VFSP. If Mariana had stayed in VFSP, it > would be possible through siblings to establish her parentage. But they > went from Sao Pedro, to Matriz, to Ponta Garca. > > JR > > On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 7:27:56 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: >> >> Hi Terri, >> I'm not at home and can't quite read them on my cell, but I do know I >> have their deaths. Manuel died at the Santa Casa de Misercordia in Vila >> Franca. Mariana da Trindade died in R. Quente. Neither of the deaths >> mentioned their parents (many deaths don't mention the parents). It's >> trying to find their parents. The pages in the marriage book are missing. >> We can use Y-DNA to help with Manuel. I need to find someone. Using >> autosomal or Family Finder is going to be a little tougher. A lot of >> endogamy to deal with. Cheri >> >> On Mon, May 13, 2019, 2:44 PM Terri Santos <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Not sure if you had this info already or not Cheri. >>> I found this today and wondered if it could be the death records for >>> your Manuel Furtado and Marianna da Trindade. >>> I think Marianna's is right....but with the one for Manuel, it says his >>> wife's name was Marianna da Piedade. Did you find her name as such anywhere >>> on the childrens records? >>> well...take a look and see..... >>> >>> Obito for Marianna da Trindade >>> >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-O-1811-1848/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-O-1811-1848_item1/P56.html >>> >>> Obito for Manuel Furtado (husband of Marianna da Piedade) >>> >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-O-1811-1848/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-O-1811-1848_item1/P23.html >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 9:50:06 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Todd, >>>> >>>> Nope, not yet. They HAD to be SOMEONE'S godparents! Something! >>>> Cheri >>>> Cheri Mello >>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 6:42 PM brownat68 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Cheri, >>>>> >>>>> Did you ever find Manuel and Mariana's parents? >>>>> >>>>> Todd >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 6:54:11 AM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The Catholic Church required the dispensations. My greats had a >>>>>> dispensation in New Bedford, Massachusetts. But, in America, it was just >>>>>> a >>>>>> side note in the marriage book. I don't know that dispensation packets >>>>>> exist. I took pictures of the ones in the Azores and will upload in a >>>>>> week >>>>>> or 2. Cheri >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 3, 2018 3:48 PM, "Elaine Mello" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> My grandparents were cousins, but got married here in the US, so >>>>>>> there wouldn't be anything back in the Azores for them (presumably), >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Antonio Mello (b1889) was a great grandson through Ana de Espírito >>>>>>> Santo through Antonio De Mello Barboza (b 1819) and my grandmother Maria >>>>>>> Lima (b 1890) was a great granddaughter of Ana through Manoel De Mello >>>>>>> Barboza (b 1829) via his daughter Francisca Roza De Mello (b 1854). >>>>>>> Unless >>>>>>> that was tracked back home at some point even though they got married in >>>>>>> the States. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Elaine >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5f26b1db-a049-46de-b246-79079e13f9f3%40googlegroups.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5f26b1db-a049-46de-b246-79079e13f9f3%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/a8c2e2de-7427-4158-88d6-1f64071d0654%40googlegroups.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/a8c2e2de-7427-4158-88d6-1f64071d0654%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/132e68a0-ef32-4c2e-9746-b1793d651da1%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/132e68a0-ef32-4c2e-9746-b1793d651da1%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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