Wonderful thread and discussion everyone. I have been so impressed with the literacy and skills that are being shown through this search back in time for my husbands ancestors from São Miguel and Madeira.
D On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 1:44 PM Ângela Loura <[email protected]> wrote: > An interview about 'mestras': http://portocanal.sapo.pt/noticia/163588/ > > Cheri Mello <[email protected]> escreveu no dia sexta, 15/11/2019 à(s) > 21:25: > >> Crafts can be many things. A really good plumber could master his craft >> too. Maybe he'd be a mestre as well. >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 1:13 PM Margaret Vicente < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Cheri, you can take it to mean as you wish but I disagree it covers just >>> crafts. Simply because I grew up with the term. My Mom and Grandmother’s >>> teacher was a Mestra, and that was Education, not crafts. >>> >>> The term is also used in English schools. The Principal of the School >>> was the Head Master. Why do you think that is? >>> >>> Angela’s references first Edition is dated 1798— discussing Antiquated >>> terminology prior to that time period. While the question posted was for >>> *1870-1879*. If antiquated back then how much more antiquated will it >>> not be 72 years later? >>> >>> >>> >>> A mestre / mestra is a teacher whether that be trades or education. >>> >>> >>> mestra >>> Significado de Mestra >>> >>> substantivo feminine Mulher que ensina ou leciona; professora. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Margaret >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: *Cheri Mello <[email protected]> >>> *Sent: *November 15, 2019 3:10 PM >>> *To: *Azores Genealogy <[email protected]> >>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra >>> demeninhos(as)"? >>> >>> >>> >>> So, from an American point-of-view, she was the teacher (or person who >>> mastered her craft) of home economics. Interesting terminology from back >>> then, >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 12:07 PM Ângela Loura <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Mestra was the lady who teached the girls the crafts in order to be good >>> housewives. Cooking, sewing, taking care of babies... >>> >>> >>> >>> Margaret Vicente <[email protected]> escreveu no dia sexta, >>> 15/11/2019 à(s) 17:21: >>> >>> “Mestra de Meninas” or currently spoken “Professora de meninas” means >>> “School girls Teacher” in the 1800’s schools were segregated by sex. Mixed >>> classes did not exist back then. >>> >>> >>> >>> Margaret v. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: *Cheri Mello <[email protected]> >>> *Sent: *November 15, 2019 12:09 PM >>> *To: *Azores Genealogy <[email protected]> >>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de >>> meninhos(as)"? >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Jessica, >>> >>> >>> >>> Mestre (masculine) or mestra (feminine) means master. Professora is >>> teacher (feminine). >>> >>> >>> >>> You'd need to look for another "os" or "as" in the document to figure >>> out if it's meninos or meninas. I kinda think it's meninas. >>> >>> >>> >>> So what is a master of the girls? My understanding of a master is >>> someone who has mastered something. It could be a trade as well as someone >>> who went to school and mastered a subject. I believe the word is also used >>> for a person who is in a leadership position as well. The native speakers >>> can shed more light on this. >>> >>> >>> >>> My complete wild guess (I've never seen this occupation) is that she's >>> in charge of the girls' orphanage. She could also be something like a >>> girls' principal. >>> >>> >>> >>> Native speakers, please let us know what you think! Cheri >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 9:01 AM JML <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi group! >>> >>> >>> >>> For this marriage of Joaquim Machado de Lemos and Maria da Luz. It >>> states that the bride's profession was that of a "mestra of children or >>> just girls" I can't tell if it's an "as" or "os" for menin_ _. >>> >>> >>> >>> Does anyone have any knowledge about professions in the 1800's? How much >>> schooling would have been acquired at that time to be a mestra? I'm >>> assuming mestra means teacher. >>> >>> >>> >>> This is the first profession I have found for a bride, other than >>> "domestica" or "costureira" so I am quite intrigued. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> >>> >>> Jessica >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879_item1/P77.html >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/55ccd547-0021-4dd6-9edd-98f5d2356a58%40googlegroups.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/55ccd547-0021-4dd6-9edd-98f5d2356a58%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_EPP5G_%3DO23ATnobM1S6BWVbsJ_rvAFX2gYVhLL7nYCzQ%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_EPP5G_%3DO23ATnobM1S6BWVbsJ_rvAFX2gYVhLL7nYCzQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5dcedea8.1c69fb81.e5a5d.a8fb%40mx.google.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5dcedea8.1c69fb81.e5a5d.a8fb%40mx.google.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAHSkNFeXV%3DX33_p54WwrwpggafKPrnrOnAsLUrxqPd3x7jpd7A%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAHSkNFeXV%3DX33_p54WwrwpggafKPrnrOnAsLUrxqPd3x7jpd7A%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_HvfhRtaDPnKAvveoysUpz9-gvjTbFe_x-oZ3zcx0xSAg%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_HvfhRtaDPnKAvveoysUpz9-gvjTbFe_x-oZ3zcx0xSAg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5dcf14e3.1c69fb81.aa198.d28f%40mx.google.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5dcf14e3.1c69fb81.aa198.d28f%40mx.google.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_GCGXyx4ALg-91ftw7OpozPqQVFZTf__EtC4aOPYfy3Gw%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_GCGXyx4ALg-91ftw7OpozPqQVFZTf__EtC4aOPYfy3Gw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAHSkNFdpAHM_dgAZ%3DrO16dP3V%2BUVC3iY30E8j%2B%2BtwHLMJfSKfA%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAHSkNFdpAHM_dgAZ%3DrO16dP3V%2BUVC3iY30E8j%2B%2BtwHLMJfSKfA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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