Hi, George. Let me put a previous question:
Why do you assume that the first sere should be reduced to hatef patah in your view? Why not to hatef segol? Would it not be more logical that a sere becomes hatef segol (and not hatef patah) when reduced? Regards, Pere Porta (Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain) 2011/4/7 George Athas <[email protected]> > Hi Pere! > > Firstly, 'reduction' is a technical term meaning to remove a vowel and have > its place taken by a shewa. So, that's we are observing with the second sere > in חֵרְשִׁים. > > Secondly, the examples you give for proving your point are all verbs. Since > verbs follow their own verb paradigms with distinctive features for each > stem, of course you will find things different there. The 'normal > conditions' I was referring to was the declension of the noun. What happens > in verb conjugations is not germane to what happens in noun declensions. By > proper grammatical process, the first sere in חֵרְשִׁים should become a > hatef-patah through vowel reduction, leaving the second sere intact. My > question is, why does this not happen? > > > GEORGE ATHAS > Moore Theological College (Sydney, Australia) > www.moore.edu.au > > > From: Pere Porta <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 07:34:10 +0200 > To: George Athas <[email protected]<mailto: > [email protected]>> > Cc: B-Hebrew <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected] > >> > Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Plural of חֵרֵשׁ (deaf) > > George, > > I would say that in חֵרְשִׁים the second sere of חֵרֵשׁ does not get > reduced. it simply vanishes and a shewa takes its place. > > You assume that "under normal conditions" the first tsere would get > reduced. But this is not true. > > a) first root consonant guttural: > > In Gn 5:29 ------- אֵרְרָהּ, he cursed her (Some codexes have hatef patah > and not shewa) > > b) first root consonant other than guttural: > > In Jb 6:7 -------- מֵאֲנָה, she rejected (and not מֲאֵנָה) > In Ps 129:8 ------- בֵּרַכְנוּ, we blessed, of בֵּרֵךְ (Ps 10:3) > > As for a reference: > > -1. First of all my own work on Hebrew patterns (named "Oham" = Otsar > ha-mishqalym), where I've deeply studied about nine thousand (9,000) > patterns. > > -2. The Academy of the Hebrew Language stated: Nouns having sere in their > first syllable and also in their second one drop the second sere and take > shewa instead, with the following exception: > They take segol and not shewa when suffixes -kha, -khem or -khen are added; > but if the second root consonant is guttural a patah replaces the segol. > > But remark: the first sere remains. > > Of course, I can give you the Academy's exact reference if it is of your > interest. > > I hope this will be useful and helpful. > > Kind regards from > > Pere Porta > (Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain) > > > _______________________________________________ > b-hebrew mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew > -- Pere Porta _______________________________________________ b-hebrew mailing list [email protected] http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew
