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-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of "~:'' ????????????" Sent: 15 May 2007 16:47 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [backstage] Web 2.0 'neglecting good Accessible design' Richard, how does one use http://maps.google.com/ via the keyboard? cheers Jonathan Chetwynd On 15 May 2007, at 13:22, Richard Lockwood wrote: This particular rant seems to be about useability rather than accessibility (although I appreciate the two are often closely related). Much as I often loathe Nielsen's writing - Jason's right, it's often all about Nielsen more than it is about any actual problems - in this case he's got a point. "Web 2.0" sites are often completely unuseable - MySpace being a prime example, and Flickr (although it's been a while since I tried to use it to post a few pics and it may well have improved) another. Google Maps however, I'd hold up as a prime example of excellent intuitive design and useability. Just as the phrase "Web 2.0" means different things to all people (I avoid it if at all possible as I feel it just makes the user sound like a buzzword spouting bandwagon-jumper who hasn't a clue what he's actually saying ;-) ), you can't tar all "Web 2.0" sites with the same brush. Anyway, I've banged on far too long now, and this is what Nielsen wants - people to discuss HIM HIM HIM!!! Frankly, the less I hear of and from this tedious old bore, the happier I am. Cheers, Rich. On 5/15/07, "~:'' ありがとうございました。" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jason & Gordon > > any good Accessible Web 2.0 websites you'd care to plug? > or are you in a rush? > > cheers > > Jonathan Chetwynd > > > > On 15 May 2007, at 10:18, Jason Cartwright wrote: > > This is all my personal opinion, and I entirely disagree. > > Mr Nielsen has a history of spouting contrary opinions to court > controversy and gain publicity for himself and his company. > > "Web 2.0"[1] (for me at least) incorporates best practice > methodologies of developing to standards (and the consequences of > this, such as progressive enhancement etc) and "trusting users as co- > developers" [2]. > These core principals of "Web 2.0" encourage good design. > > As with any technology, "Web 2.0" will be misused - it's not the > technology's fault that this happens, it's the designer/developer that > fouled it up's problem. That doesn't look as good when you're goading > mainstream journos into writing about you though, does it? > > J > > [1] I've stuck all these in quotes, as I think "Web 2.0" means > different things to different people. > [2] Tim O'Reilly > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' > ???????????? > Sent: 15 May 2007 08:48 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [backstage] Jakob Nielsen: Web 2.0 'neglecting good design' > > Jakob Nielsen: Web 2.0 'neglecting good design' > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6653119.stm > > seems to have copied my pitch for hackday ~:" > > has he been invited? > > was I? > > did anyone else have ideas or requirements for an accessible SVG front > end? > > cheers > > Jonathan Chetwynd > Accessibility Consultant on Learning Disabilities and the Internet > > http://www.eas-i.co.uk > > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, > please visit > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, > please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ > mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- > archive.com/[email protected]/ > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, > please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ > mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- > archive.com/[email protected]/ > -- SilverDisc Ltd is registered in England no. 2798073 Registered address: 4 Swallow Court, Kettering, Northamptonshire, NN15 6XX - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/[email protected]/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
