-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Butterworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 16 May 2007 17:05
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [backstage] Web 2.0 'neglecting good Accessible design'
You may also like to try this site, it has access to Google,
Microsoft, Ask and NASA mapping and satellite photos...
http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=51.509979&lon=-0.226138&z=17.8&;
r=0&src=msl
It is easily "iframed"
Brian Butterworth
www.ukfree.tv
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason
Cartwright
Sent: 16 May 2007 09:34
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [backstage] Web 2.0 'neglecting good Accessible design'
Yes, javascript is required for the full, slick experience,
obviously.
All parts of the site are still usable when JS is off (that I can
see), and seemingly entirely accessible via the keyboard.
With JS on, the keys work in most browsers, although some
require you
to have the map in focus.
Of course Google Maps has a well documented API that could
be used to
create uber-accessible versions for different needs -
http://www.google.com/apis/maps/
J
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Sent: 15 May 2007 21:32
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Subject: Re: [backstage] Web 2.0 'neglecting good Accessible design'
Jason & Stephen,
when javascript is disabled in Opera or Camino the message is:
Your web browser is not fully supported by Google Maps
I wonder is the code IE7 specific?
none of the keys work for me on os x
unless I'm missing something this hardly qualifies as accessible...
regards
Jonathan Chetwynd
On 15 May 2007, at 16:57, Jason Cartwright wrote:
Disable javascript. Everything works fine.
J
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-
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Sent: 15 May 2007 16:47
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Subject: Re: [backstage] Web 2.0 'neglecting good Accessible design'
Richard,
how does one use http://maps.google.com/ via the keyboard?
cheers
Jonathan Chetwynd
On 15 May 2007, at 13:22, Richard Lockwood wrote:
This particular rant seems to be about useability rather than
accessibility (although I appreciate the two are often closely
related). Much as I often loathe Nielsen's writing -
Jason's right,
it's often all about Nielsen more than it is about any
actual problems
- in this case he's got a point. "Web 2.0" sites are often
completely
unuseable - MySpace being a prime example, and Flickr
(although it's
been a while since I tried to use it to post a few pics and it may
well have improved) another.
Google Maps however, I'd hold up as a prime example of excellent
intuitive design and useability.
Just as the phrase "Web 2.0" means different things to all
people (I
avoid it if at all possible as I feel it just makes the user sound
like a buzzword spouting bandwagon-jumper who hasn't a clue
what he's
actually saying ;-) ), you can't tar all "Web 2.0" sites with the
same brush.
Anyway, I've banged on far too long now, and this is what Nielsen
wants - people to discuss HIM HIM HIM!!! Frankly, the less
I hear of
and from this tedious old bore, the happier I am.
Cheers,
Rich.
On 5/15/07, "~:'' ????????????"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Jason & Gordon
any good Accessible Web 2.0 websites you'd care to plug?
or are you in a rush?
cheers
Jonathan Chetwynd
On 15 May 2007, at 10:18, Jason Cartwright wrote:
This is all my personal opinion, and I entirely disagree.
Mr Nielsen has a history of spouting contrary opinions to court
controversy and gain publicity for himself and his company.
"Web 2.0"[1] (for me at least) incorporates best practice
methodologies of developing to standards (and the consequences of
this, such as progressive enhancement etc) and "trusting
users as co-
developers" [2].
These core principals of "Web 2.0" encourage good design.
As with any technology, "Web 2.0" will be misused - it's not the
technology's fault that this happens, it's the
designer/developer that
fouled it up's problem. That doesn't look as good when
you're goading
mainstream journos into writing about you though, does it?
J
[1] I've stuck all these in quotes, as I think "Web 2.0" means
different things to different people.
[2] Tim O'Reilly
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Sent: 15 May 2007 08:48
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Subject: [backstage] Jakob Nielsen: Web 2.0 'neglecting
good design'
Jakob Nielsen: Web 2.0 'neglecting good design'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6653119.stm
seems to have copied my pitch for hackday ?:"
has he been invited?
was I?
did anyone else have ideas or requirements for an
accessible SVG front
end?
cheers
Jonathan Chetwynd
Accessibility Consultant on Learning Disabilities and the Internet
http://www.eas-i.co.uk
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