RE: question about Islam

[Khazeh]

I won't respond to you on this any longer…   Iskandar   On Sat, 13 May 2006, Gilberto Simpson wrote:   This lowly one has read every exchange  carefully and I pray that mutual understanding may increase yet…   The Holy Qur’an says : He is with you wherever you are. Wherever we “are” He is with us, where we are mentally, where we are physically, where we are in our imagination, where we are in our opinions that this be so and so He is with us, Huwa ma’akum aynamaa kuntum [Holy Qur’an 57:4]   One of the most renowned scholars of Islam [Ghazaali] writes: as quoted by Professor Chittick (excerpting from Ghazaali’s Kimiyaa ye sa’aadat the Alchemy of Happiness. In essence Ghazali writes: http://www.vanleer.org.il/Data/UploadedFiles/Files/rehabilitation.doc   **"The cause of the veil is that someone will learn the creed and he will learn the proofs for that as they are uttered in dialectics and debate, then he will give his whole heart over to this and believe that there is no knowledge whatsoever beyond it. If something else enters his heart, he will say, 'This disagrees with what I have heard, and whatever disagrees with it is false.' It is impossible for someone like this ever to know the truth of affairs, for the belief learned by people is the mould of truth, not the truth itself. Complete knowledge is for the realities to be unveiled from the mould, like a kernel from the shell."   Professor Chittick again quotes Rumi Brother, you are this very thought— [ey baraadar to hameh andeesheh ee]             the rest of you is bones and fibre. If roses are your thought, you are a rose garden,             if thorns, you are fuel for the furnace. If rosewater, you will be sprinkled on the neck,             if urine, you will be dumped in a pit.   We must go above this attitude: 'This disagrees with what I have heard, and whatever disagrees with it is false. We must make of our thoughts rose-water as Rumi recommended How long wilt thou dwell on words and empty shows? A burning heart is what I want; consort with burning! Kindle in thy heart the flame of Love, And burn up utterly thoughts and fine expressions. O Moses! the lovers of fair rites are one class, They whose hearts and souls burn with Love, another. (Rumi)   And if one is really interested in discussion this one verse suffices that in the Holy Qur’an there is this amazing Divine Utterance (anticipating, in a way, the objections that were raised to the Revelations of the exalted Martyred Bab and Baha’u’llah Sura 18:109. Qul law kana albahru midadan likalimati rabbee lanafida albahru qabla an tanfada kalimatu rabbee walaw ji/na bimithlihi madadan   YUSUFALI: Say: "If the ocean were ink (wherewith to write out) the words of my Lord, sooner would the ocean be exhausted than would the words of my Lord, even if we added another ocean like it, for its aid." PICKTHAL: Say: Though the sea became ink for the Words of my Lord, verily the sea would be used up before the words of my Lord were exhausted, even though We brought the like thereof to help. SHAKIR: Say: If the sea were ink for the words of my Lord, the sea would surely be consumed before the words of my Lord are exhausted, though We were to bring the like of that (sea) to add.   In relation to this verse people asked the Imam Ja’far as.Saadiq (Peace be upon Him) the 6th Imam; What is the meaning of this verse:   [akhbaraka anna Kalam Allah laysa lahuu aakhirun wa laa ghaayata wa laa yanqat.i’u abadan]   In other words ***God here informs thee that the Word of God has no end, no termination, and It shall never cease at all.***   Burhan, (=al-Sayyid Hashim al-Bahrani, Kitab al-burhan fi tafsir al-Qur'an. 4 vols. Tehran, 1375/1955). Page 496 [akhbaraka anna Kalam Allah laysa lahuu aakhirun wa laa ghaayata wa laa yanqat.i’u abadan]   In other words ***God here informs thee that the Word of God has no end, no termination, and It shall never cease at all.***   This one verse makes one think and thought is important not argumentation   With great humility to all sides of the discussion   Kf ** The publication of high thoughts is the dynamic power in the arteries of life; it is the very soul of the world. Thoughts are a boundless sea, and the effects and varying conditions of existence are as the separate forms and individual limits of the waves; not until the sea boils up will the waves  110  rise and scatter their pearls of knowledge on the shore of life.   Thou, Brother, art thy thought alone,   The rest is only thew and bone.[1] [1 Rumi, The Mathnavi, II 2:277. The next line is: A garden close, if that thought be a rose, But if it be a thorn, then only fit to burn.               (Abdu'l-Baha, The Secret of Divine Civilization, p. 109)             The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto ("e-mail") is sent by the Johnson County Community College ("JCCC") and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. 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