Hi again Martyn,
Yes indeed - The smaller lute will need thinner strings than the larger
one but if you go by the highest string almost breaking, that will lead
to a lower tension as the thickness of the chanterelle doesn't seem to
be related to the pitch at which it breaks.
What I'm getting around to asking is, how do the tensions of the basses
in a small lute compare to the equivalents in a large lute? If the
small lute has half the string length of the large, and is tuned an
octave higher, the same tension will require the same string
thickness. So if you use thinner basses the tension would need to be
somewhat less.
Most string calculators I've come across ask the user for the tension
they want to use, but don't give much in the way of guidance to what a
reasonable tension should be. Do you know if this has been
investigated and written up anywhere? All the advice I can find is for
medium-sized lutes and suggests tensions around 3kg per string. That
would presumably be less for a much smaller lute.
Bill
From: Martyn Hodgson <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>;
William Samson <willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, 18 March 2012, 9:33
Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD
Dear Bill,
Ah - but since we generally follow early advice and tune the highest
string as high as it can stand, the pitching of the smaller lute will
be higher than the larger (eg a whole tone between an instrument of 76
and one of 68cm). Also a smaller lute requires thinner strings than a
larger one thus the stress (ie force pu area) and stiffness will be
much the same.
Comparing small pianos with larger is not the same comparison
since they will both be tuned to the same pitch thus requiring, as you
point out, thicker overwound strings for the smaller instrument.
rgds
Martyn --- On Sun, 18/3/12, William Samson <willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
From: William Samson <willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD
To: "Martyn Hodgson" <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>,
"baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Date: Sunday, 18 March, 2012, 9:22
Hi Martyn,
I think some underlying assumptions need to be brought out here.
The main difficulty with gut basses is the thickness of the string in
comparison with its length. The thicker the string, other things being
equal, the stiffer it will be and so less able to produce the higher
harmonics - or at least to have them sounding in tune with the
fundamental. This is why a small piano sounds so poor in the bass
register compared to a concert grand - short thick basses. It's
possible to make gut strings more flexible (high-twist, catlines and so
on) and reduce this effect.
The other thing is that thicker strings (again, other things being
equal) have more internal friction and so lack sustain.
This doesn't matter so much for a long thick string as for a short one
of the same thickness.
One way to try and get around this is to reduce the diameter of the
basses on smaller lutes and this leads to lower tensions. There's only
so far you can go with low tensions before the strings start to sound
like rubber bands being pinged. This can be overcome by increasing the
density of the string by 'loading' or gimping so that a thinner string
can be tuned at a higher tension.
Anyway - I'm gabbling here, because I don't have a
joined-up understanding of the dynamics of thick vibrating strings,
where stiffness and internal friction are significant factors.
In summary, though, there must be a limit to how small you can make a
10c gut-strung lute and still produce an acceptable sound from it.
Thoughts?
Bill
From: Martyn Hodgson <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
To: Anthony Hind <agno3ph...@yahoo.com>
Cc: "baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Sunday, 18 March 2012, 8:02
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD
Dear Anthony, There's no reason why such bass gut strings shouldn't
work almost as well on a small lute as on a bigger one: simply the
overall pitching will be higher (ie in both cases the highest string
will be pulled up as close as possible to breaking stress). Martyn
--- On Sat, 17/3/12, Anthony Hind <[1]agno3ph...@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Anthony Hind <[2]agno3ph...@yahoo.com> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE]
Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD To: "Edward Martin"
<[3]e...@gamutstrings.com> Cc: "[4]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"
<[5]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Date: Saturday, 17 March, 2012,
12:22 Dear Ed and All Many of us seemed to have
enjoyed and been influenced by that Reflexe recording, and indeed
the wonderful Reflexe and Astree LPs in the 70s were how I was
introduced to the pioneers; until I had the chance of actually
hearing some of them, Hoppy, and POD, Jakob Lindberg, but
unfortunately never Anthony Bailes. % I would gladly
try those geared pegs, but I would also be loth to remove Stephen
Gottlieb's very elegant sculpted ones, but perhaps the originals
could be grafted on to the geared ones? When I remember to make
the effort, Wolfgang Fruh's peg-turner does go someway to gearing
the peg turn. I bought it for the occasion when tend pegs stick,
but actually it works best on pegs that don't stick. It seems to
make them more precise. Without the turner, the string jumps above
and then below the desired tuning point, with the tuner it
seems to go much more smoothly. Of course, it does not have the
accuracy of your marvellous geared pegs. How wonderful to be the
neighbour of an expert lute and string maker! % Perhaps your
present success with pure gut Pistoys also relates to the ultra
hard table that Dan managed to make for your lute. I understand
tables can harden with the years, so perhaps your lute has some of the
sustain of an old lute, that helps your lute's response to your
stringing? Of course, with AB's 76cm string length it wouldn't
be so surprising if pure gut Pistoys did work well on the
Wengerer lute, but if you manage a free sounding bass, without a
hint of tubbiness, it will be quite an achievement for a 67cm
lute in all Pistoy basses! % I had wanted to add a link to T.
Satoh playing the Greiff, to compare with low tension stringing
of an old lute. I tried to use the old links I have on my
computer, but they all failed. I then tried to go on the Channel
Island Classic site, and Firefox signalled warnings that the site
had a very poor reputation. I couldn't understand how that could
be, but fearing it might be a scam site. I stopped my attempts, which
is a pity, as it would be interesting to compare. % You
haven't said what tension you have on your basses, and your
octaves, but would you classify it as light, medium or heavy?
regards Anthony
__________________________________________________________________
De : Edward Martin <[1][6]e...@gamutstrings.com> A : Anthony Hind
<[2][7]agno3ph...@yahoo.com>;
"[3][8]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"
<[4][9]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Envoye le : Samedi 17 mars
2012 1h08 Objet : Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD
Dear Anthony and all, I also very much enjoy that old recording of
AB on EMI Reflexe. A great, old recording. Your statement
that "(although, I imagine that with his 76cm lute pure gut
basses should also work well)" is in complete agreement with my
recent experimentation. As you know, I have been doing some
experimentation on my "French" lute, which is now one year old.
It is 67.5 cm 11-course Frei. Recently, I put on plain gut, down
to the 10th course (actually, Pistoys on the 5th, and Pistoy
fundamentals on 6-10) The 11th course still has a loaded gut
fundamental from Mimmo. That is the only metal I have on this
lute, and I want to say that I am quite happy with the sound of
the pure (Pistoy) gut, i.e., without metal). In fact, I prefer it
to loaded gut. I just have not gotten around to trying the 11th
fundamental in pure gut, but when I do, I think it will work just
fine. String makers have done a terrific job in research and
production of incorporating of metal into gut, but for my 11-course
lute with no bass extension, is very nice indeed. using pure gut.
They do not sound "tubby" at all. Unfortunately, I have not
recorded this instrument yet, but will, using this stringing
configuration. In my opinion, at least when discussing French
baroque lute music, this is certainly worth trying. Another
factor........ I have just made a huge modification on the
11-course lute. I have just installed planetary gears, instead of
pegs. I know some people disapprove of this, but for many reasons, I
am very, very happy with the results. They are expensive - that
is a drawback. The thing is, friction pegs can be problematic,
and even the best ones, perfectly fitted, do slip a little but.
These "pegs" look _exactly_ like an ebony lute peg, but then
_never_ slip or stick. They are geared to 25% of the turning of a
friction peg; in other words, one must turn 4 times the distance
one would turn using a friction peg. This makes tuning much, much
more accurate, and it does not stick, and the action is very
fluid. The weight is identical to a lute peg, so no weight is
added. With these gears, it is actually, a joy to tune!
Sometimes with friction pegs, I may be more hesitant to make
micro-adjustments in tuning, but with planetary gears, they are so
smooth, fast, and accurate, it seems as though my lute sounds so much
better, as it is little to nothing to finely adjust the tuning. I
now have my 2 favorite instruments in these gears - my vihuela,
and 11-course lute. In short, it is a winning combination -
the beautiful sound in gut, with greatly improved tuning. ed
At 10:07 AM 3/16/2012, Anthony Hind wrote: > Dear All
> Anthony Bailes LP recording of 'Pieces de luth'; EMI
REFLEXE; > IC 06330938, was my introduction to French baroque
lute music. > After that I was hooked. > I have enjoyed
his recent CDs (although I had not yet heard this, his >
most recent one), but regret that the recordings (in particular
"Old > Gautiers Nightinghall") do seem to have become a little
more > reverberant, which may take away somewhat from his
recent excellent > string choices on the Wengerer: Nick
Baldock trebles, Dan Larson, Lyons > Meanes, and Mimmo
Peruffo loaded basses (v AB seems to be > one of the few
pioneers still experimenting seriously in gut stringing. >
% > Indeed, Anthony B. has always had an experimental atttitude
to historic > research. In his excellent article for Lute
News 85, April 2008, he > said, of the old Bologna lutes
so sought after by the French, that > Trichet tells us "French
lute players were looking for instruments > which were very
resonant, and capable of sustain"; and he goes on to >
tell us of his experience of playing old lutes, "The last, and
most > important point is that notes on such instruments have
more sustain > coupled with a more gradual and even decay
to the sound. This is > particularly important as it can give
the impression that a note sounds > on longer than it
actually does." > In his Gaultier recordings, AB considers this
so necessary to his > interpretation of this music that he
appears willing to sacrifice ideal > string length (and
possibly barring), adopting the 76cm historic Wenger >
lute, just for the greater sustain this vintage lute affords. >
% > Jakob Lindberg seems to confirm AB's experience, claiming
two almost > contradictory characteristics for his
Rauwolf: "this has exactly what I > want. It has that
clarity but also sustain, which is amazing". > % > It
seems to be the function of this quality that AB is seeking to
study > with his recent recordings, at the expense of any
characteristic > specifically associated with more usual string
lengths of around 68 cm > (as correctly suggested by
Martyn). Of course one might have preferred > AB to have
discovered another 69.5 cm Rauwolf, Greiff (or whatever), >
but no doubt he had to settle for the Wenger, or possibly chose it
to > isolate what this could bring, in spite of string
length and barring > differences. > % >
The question then (implied by Martyn) is what AB may have gained
or > lost in choosing a lute which might seem more suitable for
late German > Baroque. > AB mentions the elegeance
and economy in the music, and it is possible > that this
also extended to the playing position and thus the length of
> the lute chosen, as seen in the rather nonchalant confortable
elegant > style of Charles Mouton: >
[1][5][10]http://tinyurl.com/39r6xvd > However, AB does have
very long fingers, and seems to have very little > problem
in playing with such string lengths: >
[2][6][11]http://tinyurl.com/77x475k > Although the two do
indeed look very different (and possibly, as Martyn >
says, the second might have been incongruous to a French audience
of > the time). > % > Soundwise, and this could
be more important, we might have expected the > 276 year
old Wenger to have lost a little in the mid register (as >
compared to the 80 to 100 year old 68 cm lutes that the French
were > seeking out), and with perhaps more bass presence, due
to the 76cm > loaded basses: the French with their smaller
lutes, may rather have > been exploring the mid range, at
the expense of these frequency > extremes. > Only
listening to AB playing French music with this lute can confirm or
> infirm, whether this is indeed the case. >
Unfortunateley, MP3 and recording equipment may not be up to the
job of > discriminating this (can we be sure that we are not
hearing the mics, > the room acoustics rather than
differences in lutes). > But here is a recording of a modern
67cm Warwick Frei (415) strung in a > not too different
way, from the Wenger, with loaded basses and Nick >
Baldock Meanes and trebles. >
[3][7][12]http://luthiste.com/downloads/Mouton.mp3 > and here
is an extract from Une Douceur violente, AB on the Wengere >
lute (375, loaded Basses, Larson Meanes, Baldock Trebles): >
Seventeenth-century French lute music >
[1][4][8][13]http://www.ramee.org/extraitsramee/1104/1104-01.mp3
> % > Personally, trying only to concentrate on the tonal
differences, and > abstracting from player's style, as
well as recording level and 415/370 > pitch (an almost
impossible task?) I enjoy both, and I do hear a great >
deal of "presence" in the case of the old lute (with no obvious
mid > lack), but with exactly the slightly veiled (slightly
nasal?) quality, > which AB claims obliges him to play
well back near the bridge with old > lutes; this is my
reaction, but I am not a musicologist, specialist in >
french baroque music. > Just to compare, here is the 69cm
Rauwolf (with some gimped basses and > some first
generation loaded) but playing Weiss: >
[5][9][14]http://www.musicamano.com/music/weiss.mp3 > I do find
the Rauwolf more "agile" (which might be important for the
> French repertoire) and a little less veiled and nasal; and this
could > indeed be something to do with the difference of
string length, or just > relating to the recording
differences. > % > Finally an extract from "Old
Gautiers Nightinghall" with AB playing on > a modern 12c
lute, by Paul Thomson (stringing?): >
[6][10][15]http://www.ramee.org/extraitsramee/0707/0707_01.MP3 >
The sound to me, here, is more bright (due to the pitch?), but
with > less depth; however, this is not the same tuning (or
stringing), and > the recording is more reverberant.
> $ > In conclusion, Martyn is right, I don't think we
should advocate > performing French lute music with
non-j-barred, 76cm lutes, and I > understand his "mise en
garde" to that effect (would any one, including > AB,
order the Wengerer model from their lutemaker for the French >
repertoire? I would doubt it; while I for one did hesitate about
> ordering a 69cm Rauwolf, before going for a 70cm Warwick); but I
have > enjoyed the sound of the short extract from Une
Douceur violente, in > spite of any doubts I might have
had. > That is of course just a personal reaction from a non
specialist, > addicted to AB's old LP. > Regards
> Anthony > ________________________________ > De :
Edward Martin <[2][7][11][16]e...@gamutstrings.com> > A :
[3][8][12][17]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Envoye le :
Vendredi 16 mars 2012 3h50 > Objet : [BAROQUE-LUTE] Ne Anthony
Bailes CD > Dear Ones, > For those on the list who
enjoy well played 11-course French baroque > lute, there
is a new release by Abthony Bailes, on the Ramee > label. it
is entitled, 'Une Douceur violente", and it contains works >
of Mouton and Gallot. He recorded this program on his authentic
lute > by Georgi Ferdinand Wenger, Augsburg, 1722. The
catalog number is > RAM 1104, and it is available in the USA,
in usual outlets. > This is an announcement, not a review. The
instrument is a large > one, and the pitch is consequently
quite low, at a70, in essence > making it in a b-minor
tuning. Beautiful sound and playing, highly >
recommended. > ed > Edward Martin > 2817 East
2nd Street > Duluth, Minnesota 55812 > e-mail:
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