I have no doubt you are correct, much documentation is atrocious. I'm even 
more experienced than you (I'm 50, been programming since 1979), but I 
spend a lot of time on Google hunting down undocumented software features. 
Like everything else, documentation requires resources to create, and often 
those resources just aren't there, especially in the free/open source world.


On Friday, May 30, 2014 12:28:29 PM UTC-7, Simon Platten wrote:
>
> I've been writing software for various embedded platforms for a long time, 
> MSP430, Echelon, PIC's.  In the case of MSP430, the development suite was 
> based on Eclipse.  When writing software for PC104 platforms using QNX, the 
> IDE was Momentics, which is eclipse.
>
> The assumption always seems to be that you are talking to someone who 
> hasn't coded much before, I'm 44.  I've been coding professionally since 
> 1985.
>
> I can follow instructions as well as the next person, unfortunatley a lot 
> of the information online is incomplete or the guides are lacking.
>
>
>
> On Friday, 30 May 2014 20:21:41 UTC+1, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> Frankly, when developing for embedded platforms, yes, IDEs are too much 
>> to ask for. 90% of embedded programming today is done with command-line 
>> tools as it has been for decades. Once in a while someone builds an IDE, 
>> but they are invariably so limited in application as to be more or a 
>> straightjacket than a real tool.  The amount of work it takes to produce a 
>> truly useful IDE makes sense only if you're developing on a commercial 
>> platform with millions of credit-card holding users. So if you want to 
>> develop for Windows, Android, and such, good IDEs are available. If you're 
>> programming a custom board, well, better get used to building your own 
>> tools.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 30, 2014 11:52:53 AM UTC-7, Simon Platten wrote:
>>>
>>> true, is it to much to ask to use an IDE?
>>>
>>> I have it all working for Java, would just like to do the same for C.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, 30 May 2014 19:37:58 UTC+1, RobertCNelson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Simon Platten <[email protected]> 
>>>> wrote: 
>>>> > I know C and C++ very well...I've been developing in it since the 
>>>> 80's. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > What I find difficult is the lack of complete information, is it to 
>>>> much to 
>>>> > expect that having bought the hardware for the software and 
>>>> documentation to 
>>>> > be complete? 
>>>> > 
>>>> > Sorry, I'm so fed up with dead ends...and pissy people with atitudes, 
>>>> that 
>>>> > instead of offering help, make wise cracks. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > Eclipse isn't the problem, the set-up of the toolchain is. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > Sorry, I guess you can tell, I'm a bit tired and just want to make 
>>>> some 
>>>> > progress on the project, instead of battling with the set-up. 
>>>>
>>>> You can always ssh in and build on the target.  That's just the way 
>>>> i've always done it. 
>>>>
>>>> Regards, 
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Robert Nelson 
>>>> http://www.rcn-ee.com/ 
>>>>
>>>

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