OK, so the AM5728 processor is listed at $75 and the AM5718 is listed at $45, so you have a savings of $30. The real cost is the 10 layer board of the x15 vs the 6 layer board of the BBB. Also, the track/spacing is much finer on the x15 and this is where the majority of the cost will be. Changing to the AM5718 and removing many of the peripherals may reduce the size of the board and so you can expect to see some savings. Getting close to the BBB price will be impossible.
Regards, John > On Feb 20, 2016, at 11:52 AM, William Hermans <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yeah, well . . . Gerald has already made it clear that an X15 Beaglebone > equivalent is not going to happen. I can understand why, after his > explanation of what he's gone through doing the two beaglebone boards. > > But the cool thing is that the hardware is opensource, and *someone* out > there is able to use the existing design to do whatever they want with it. > Which means *maybe* someone can create a SFF version of the X15 ? However, I > do know that there would be many obstacles in the way of such a project. Cost > being a big one. > > On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 7:28 AM, 'Morgaine' via BeagleBoard > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > William writes: > > Anyhow, a minimal board, something like the beaglebone black, but without > > hdmi would be awesome. > > Which of course is the focus of this thread, exploring whether the AM5718 > could take us there. Apparently the answer is "No", although the question > that I actually posed was "How would the costs look" if AM3358 + PMIC were > replaced by AM5718 + PMIC. It's clear that it's "more", but it would be > interesting to have some idea of the magnitude. > > As you rightly point out, "The X15 is not in the same 'class' as the > Beaglebone boards, but in the same class as the original beagleboards". That > makes X15 advocacy inapplicable in a BBB or BBG context since X15 misses the > BeagleBone price niche by a large margin. This will usually put it out of > the running for those typically cost-constrained IoT applications where BBB > found a good home. > > Morgaine. > > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 10:20 PM, William Hermans <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Although every board has an appropriate niche, the problem with the X15 from > the PoV of BBB users is that its niche is not the BBB's niche. > > As has been stated many times over now. The X15 is not in the same "class" as > the Beaglebone boards, but in the same class as the original beagleboards. > With much newer and updated features of course. Cost wise, beagleboards have > always been higher than beaglebones . . . > > Another thing to consider is that the X15 has so many features, and features > that far surpass those on the beaglebones, it makes the beaglebone boards > look like toys. So in other words is something more along the lines of a dev > board for the professional, and not the hobbyist. > > With al that said, I too have a "dream" of a board I'd like to see as well. > an AM5718 with networking, and USB only as "out of the box" peripherals > only. With the rest of the on chip peripherals out to some form of a high > density pin header. Granted, onboard eMMC, ad an sdcard reader would probably > be good too now that I think of that. > > Anyhow, a minimal board, something like the beaglebone black, but without > hdmi would be awesome. Size for me would not be too important though. As the > X15 really is not all that big to begin with. Anyhow, my "dream" board seems > pretty close to the already existing x15 . . . > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 11:42 AM, 'Morgaine' via BeagleBoard > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Drew writes: > > BeagleBone Plaid... I sense a best seller! :) > > I wouldn't hold that against it. A haggis in the box would be a step too far > though. :P > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Morgaine <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Although every board has an appropriate niche, the problem with the X15 from > the PoV of BBB users is that its niche is not the BBB's niche. > > While the X15 is certainly interesting, it's not going to help those BBB > users who would like a little more power at a little more cost within the BBB > form factor. X15 comes in at a much higher price point, and this puts it out > of contention for many small IoT tasks where the BBB's cost is seen as > reasonable. > > BBB has become very popular and a lot of people would like to see the line > extended with an upgraded processor, as you know since it's been a regular > suggestion here. I'm sure you would fill this product space if you could, > but I suppose TI's "$5 AM335x" launch many moons ago was a one-off. Pity. > > Morgaine. > > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Gerald Coley <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > A lot bigger than the BBG, more expensive than the BBG, no support for the > expansion connectors on the BBG and most likely, a different color. > > A lot smaller than the X15, less expensive than the X15, no support for the > expansion connectors on the X15, and most likely a plaid color. > > > Gerald. > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 11:17 AM, 'Morgaine' via BeagleBoard > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Jason writes: > > If someone contributed an open design, that might help push the idea along. > > Not sure how much cheaper it could be than X15. > > How would the costs look if you took the BBG board design (or a BBB minus its > graphics components), ripped out the AM3358 and its PMIC, and designed in an > AM5718 and its PMIC instead? > > I suspect such a barebones redesign would satisfy a lot of BBB users who > would like to see a simple and least-cost upgrade to the very successful > BeagleBone line. > > Morgaine. > > > > -- > For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss > <http://beagleboard.org/discuss> > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "BeagleBoard" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > > -- > Gerald > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://beagleboard.org/ <http://beagleboard.org/> > > -- > For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss > <http://beagleboard.org/discuss> > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "BeagleBoard" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > > -- > For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss > <http://beagleboard.org/discuss> > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "BeagleBoard" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss > <http://beagleboard.org/discuss> > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "BeagleBoard" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss > <http://beagleboard.org/discuss> > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "BeagleBoard" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss > <http://beagleboard.org/discuss> > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "BeagleBoard" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BeagleBoard" group. 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