Have a look at the Cherry Blossom from Arrow Altech. It is a BBB but
with no HDMI and no network.
Actually for the sake of this discussion, we do not really care about
the BBB, except in dimension, and cost. But while we're on the subject
of a "headless" BB "replacement". the BBG is a much better offering
than the one you suggest. Which is of course in my opinion. The biggest
factor here, a beaglebone without ethernet is a waste of a board.
Normally I would agree with that but when you look at automation,
security, automotive and other non internet based products, it is huge
cost saving to not have the unused features.
Most products that I use this technology for is for non internet based
stuff.
On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Marius <[email protected]> wrote:
William writes:
> Anyhow, a minimal board, something like the beaglebone black, but
without hdmi would be awesome.
Which of course is the focus of this thread, exploring whether the
AM5718 could take us there. Apparently the answer is "No", although
the question that I actually posed was "How would the costs look" if
AM3358 + PMIC were replaced by AM5718 + PMIC. It's clear that it's
"more", but it would be interesting to have some idea of the
magnitude.
Have a look at the Cherry Blossom from Arrow Altech. It is a BBB but
with no HDMI and no network.
http://www.arrow.altech.co.za/
http://www.arrow.altech.co.za/sites/arrow/files/Cherry%20Blossom%20TI%20Am%20Module.pdf
As you rightly point out, "The X15 is not in the same 'class' as the
Beaglebone boards, but in the same class as the original
beagleboards". That makes X15 advocacy inapplicable in a BBB or BBG
context since X15 misses the BeagleBone price niche by a large
margin. This will usually put it out of the running for those
typically cost-constrained IoT applications where BBB found a good
home.
Morgaine.
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 10:20 PM, William Hermans <[email protected]>
wrote:
Although every board has an appropriate niche, the problem with the
X15 from the PoV of BBB users is that its niche is not the BBB's
niche.
As has been stated many times over now. The X15 is not in the same
"class" as the Beaglebone boards, but in the same class as the
original beagleboards. With much newer and updated features of
course. Cost wise, beagleboards have always been higher than
beaglebones . . .
Another thing to consider is that the X15 has so many features, and
features that far surpass those on the beaglebones, it makes the
beaglebone boards look like toys. So in other words is something
more along the lines of a dev board for the professional, and not
the hobbyist.
With al that said, I too have a "dream" of a board I'd like to see
as well. an AM5718 with networking, and USB only as "out of the
box" peripherals only. With the rest of the on chip peripherals out
to some form of a high density pin header. Granted, onboard eMMC, ad
an sdcard reader would probably be good too now that I think of
that.
Anyhow, a minimal board, something like the beaglebone black, but
without hdmi would be awesome. Size for me would not be too
important though. As the X15 really is not all that big to begin
with. Anyhow, my "dream" board seems pretty close to the already
existing x15 . . .
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 11:42 AM, 'Morgaine' via BeagleBoard
<[email protected]> wrote:
Drew writes:
> BeagleBone Plaid... I sense a best seller!
I wouldn't hold that against it. A haggis in the box would be a
step too far though.
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Morgaine
<[email protected]> wrote:
Although every board has an appropriate niche, the problem with
the X15 from the PoV of BBB users is that its niche is not the
BBB's niche.
While the X15 is certainly interesting, it's not going to help
those BBB users who would like a little more power at a little
more cost within the BBB form factor. X15 comes in at a much
higher price point, and this puts it out of contention for many
small IoT tasks where the BBB's cost is seen as reasonable.
BBB has become very popular and a lot of people would like to see
the line extended with an upgraded processor, as you know since
it's been a regular suggestion here. I'm sure you would fill this
product space if you could, but I suppose TI's "$5 AM335x" launch
many moons ago was a one-off. Pity.
Morgaine.
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Gerald Coley
<[email protected]> wrote:
A lot bigger than the BBG, more expensive than the BBG, no
support for the expansion connectors on the BBG and most likely,
a different color.
A lot smaller than the X15, less expensive than the X15, no
support for the expansion connectors on the X15, and most likely
a plaid color.
Gerald.
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 11:17 AM, 'Morgaine' via BeagleBoard
<[email protected]> wrote:
Jason writes:
> If someone contributed an open design, that might help push
the idea along. Not sure how much cheaper it could be than X15.
How would the costs look if you took the BBG board design (or a
BBB minus its graphics components), ripped out the AM3358 and
its PMIC, and designed in an AM5718 and its PMIC instead?
I suspect such a barebones redesign would satisfy a lot of BBB
users who would like to see a simple and least-cost upgrade to
the very successful BeagleBone line.
Morgaine.
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