Thank you Joe, there are a couple projects I want to try out soon that could benefit from this, and your write-up is very helpful.
On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Joe Bogner <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks bill. Good tip on verbose and colwidth. The qt layout engine > does a reasonable job. I'm pretty happy with it now that I understand > it. I don't have a great deal of need to create forms in J but it's > good to know nevertheless > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 10:40 AM, bill lam <[email protected]> wrote: > > Very nice! > > > > I usually use bin g, in your example, you can set stretch of column 0 > and 2 > > to 0 , and set 1 to column 1, instead of explicit column width. But the > > output might not be what you want. > > > > For debugging bin layout, you can set verbose to 2, this will print > nested > > bin commands with indentations. > > On Oct 27, 2015 9:56 PM, "Joe Bogner" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> I also found it somewhat difficult to understand at first. I put a few > >> hours into reading the documentation and playing and wrote a brief > >> essay on it: http://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/User:Joe_Bogner/QtLayout . > >> Does this help answer some of your questions? > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 5:10 AM, Björn Helgason <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > When I put several objects on a form I have difficulty placing them > >> whetre > >> > I want. > >> > When I have it close to what I want and want to put in more fields > >> > everything can easily float into something that becomes a complete > mess. > >> > I am sure it possibly stays fixed once like it should be. > >> > Getting the look I want has not been easy. > >> > Sizes of fields difficult to change. > >> > Simple things are possibly simple but combining stuff like plots, > several > >> > static output and inputs as well as buttons are not at all easy. > >> > On 26 Oct 2015 23:01, "bill lam" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> >> On the contrary, qt keeps fields in their right places regardless > of > >> >> screen size and screen orientation. > >> >> > >> >> I think that vb6 style form editor using absolute pixel positions had > >> been > >> >> deprecated in most modern gui system, not limiting to qt. > >> >> > >> >> Hypothetically, one can still control the exact position of placement > >> >> within a window, eg using css in webpages, but it is incompatible > with > >> >> automatic layout of most gui systems. IMO it is better to use old gui > >> >> system such j6 or vb6 rather than emulating using newer gui systems > if > >> >> absolute pixel xy position is what you wanted. > >> >> On Oct 27, 2015 5:02 AM, "Björn Helgason" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > looks ok. > >> >> > > >> >> > better still have the different fields not just left positioned. > >> >> > the real problem in qt that they float around. > >> >> > > >> >> > I created something like this often in j6. > >> >> > There are two example in wiki (or used to be) for this in j6. > >> >> > > >> >> > Should be (probably is) possible in jhs. > >> >> > I have not done the plot parts there. > >> >> > > >> >> > In qt it is difficult to get the fields to stay in the right place. > >> >> > On 26 Oct 2015 20:38, "Joe Bogner" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > > Björn, > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Your requested interface is unclear to me > >> >> > > > >> >> > > You wrote: > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Two buttons each executing one of two lines of input. > >> >> > > Output in one of two multi line fields. > >> >> > > Other two buttons taking input and displaying plot in one of two > >> >> fields. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > I'm interpreting this as: > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Cmd 1: _____________ [Button 1] > >> >> > > Cmd 2 : _____________ [Button 2] > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Output 1: > >> >> > > __________ > >> >> > > __________ > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Output 2: > >> >> > > __________ > >> >> > > __________ > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Plot Cmd 1: ___________ [Plot Button 1] > >> >> > > Plot Cmd 2: ___________ [Plot Button 2] > >> >> > > > >> >> > > +-------------------------------+ > >> >> > > | | > >> >> > > | PLOT 1 | > >> >> > > | | > >> >> > > +-------------------------------+ > >> >> > > > >> >> > > +-------------------------------+ > >> >> > > | | > >> >> > > | PLOT 2 | > >> >> > > | | > >> >> > > +-------------------------------+ > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Is this what you had in mind? If not, can you specify more > clearly > >> or > >> >> > > ideally even create it in j6 since you say it is easy. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > I would be willing to try and create examples for jhs and jqt > >> >> > > > >> >> > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Björn Helgason < > [email protected]> > >> >> > wrote: > >> >> > > > The gui part of an applications is very important. > >> >> > > > I liked the form editor in J6 and miss it. > >> >> > > > I looked forward to the new features that came with new guis > and > >> >> > > > possibilities. > >> >> > > > The JHS is magnificient but the gui is not that easy to use. > >> >> > > > The demos are interesting but not great. > >> >> > > > The plot demo is totally useless and worse than none. > >> >> > > > The others are too simple and too complex at the same time. > >> >> > > > I am sure it is possible to do a demo like the one I want. > >> >> > > > Nobody is doing one. > >> >> > > > A lab describing it too is needed. > >> >> > > > Nobody is doing one. > >> >> > > > Because of this lack of demos and labs not many people do use > it. > >> >> > > > I have been meaning to for some time but never given it enough > >> time. > >> >> > > > For most people it is too difficult but for people like Eric it > >> would > >> >> > be > >> >> > > > easy but he does not do one either as far as I know. > >> >> > > > Combining the demos more or less into one. > >> >> > > > I managed it partly and am sure it is possible. > >> >> > > > Having problems with two plots together with the rest is what I > >> need > >> >> > time > >> >> > > > for. > >> >> > > > A workig plot demo preferably two plot demo with help texts. > >> >> > > > Combinig them all in one with two working plots is what I want. > >> >> > > > Explaing how it works is what I really want and I am sure I am > not > >> >> > alone. > >> >> > > > A lab explaining it is what is missing. > >> >> > > > I guess something like the form editor from J6 is too much to > wish > >> >> for. > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > I am pretty sure noone could do one in qt nor android. > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > I actually did try that but became convinced it is not > possible. > >> >> > > > Came close to do it partially but no cigar. > >> >> > > > The demos are not easy to read and do not come close in beeing > >> >> helpful. > >> >> > > > Actually more confusing than helpful. > >> >> > > > I am very disappointed in qt and do not see it becoming > anything > >> >> > useful. > >> >> > > > I am sure it is good for someone and something. > >> >> > > > I am just not happy with it. > >> >> > > > On 24 Oct 2015 18:23, "Björn Helgason" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > >> It would be good to have a simple demo easy to create and use. > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> One for android and another for jhs. > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> The application should look the same in both. > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Two buttons each executing one of two lines of input. > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Output in one of two multi line fields. > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Other two buttons taking input and displaying plot in one of > two > >> >> > fields. > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Very simple instructions on how to create these demos. > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> No fancy hidden cute execution. > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Step by step description what each line is doing and why. > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> The placement of each field, plots and buttons should be easy > to > >> >> place > >> >> > > >> anywhere on the screen. > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> This may not sound difficult for experienced user but for new > >> user > >> >> > this > >> >> > > is > >> >> > > >> really difficult or impossible but should not be. > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Some existings demos do parts of this but are mostly too > >> difficult > >> >> to > >> >> > > >> understand. > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> In J6 this used to be easy to do in J8 it is not. > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > > > 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