Windows has an informal, but useful distinction between the alt key for
system level shortcuts and ctrl for application shortcuts. Mac has taken
command+q from the app. What others has it taken?
You can fix this for yourself with
Edit|Configure|Shortcuts|Ctrl+Q|Modify. You could set it to none or to
an unused one. There aren't many available (H I U (curious that) and
some function keys).
We could provide a different one for a default mac install, but I
hesitate to guess what it should be and welcome suggestions.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joey K Tuttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Beta forum" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 12:59 PM
Subject: RE: [Jbeta] mousewheel
At 11:22 -0400 2006/08/21, Miller, Raul D wrote:
Joey K Tuttle wrote:
I must say I find it remarkable that Windows users would
want the single click - in my use of J, when I focus a pane
I usually want to type input.
Windows offers a variety of mechanisms for brining a window
into focus in addition to "click in the window".
For that matter, you can configure Windows to use the unix-ish
convention where "mouse over window" focuses the window with
no click being necessary. Not all windows applications
behave well with windows configured this way (Visual Studio
2003 comes to mind), but most do. Anyways, with windows
configured this way, you can focus on the J window with zero
clicks and clicking in the window brings the window to the top
and positions the cursor.
I suppose it's all a matter of what you're used to.
I certainly agree with that last statement. I also under
stand that P in PC stands for Personal and that it is a
tradition for people to "customize behavior". Seems there
are no good conventions that have "universal agreement"...
I'm reminded of (very) early days of PC development at IPSA
when a programmer insisted that "Quit" had no business in a
"File" menu - so he made a top level menu item "Quit" - during
a demo, I told him he had to put it at the bottom of the "File"
menu and in his frustration he demonstrated one reason for
that by accidentally exiting his demo (this was pre-windows)...
It was (pre-OSX) Mac conventions that dictated "Quit" behavior
(recall that these preceeded the first versions of Windows),
but in OSX, there is a special menu item, leftmost in the
bar that has the Quit (command Q) in it, removing it from the
file menu. This causes a little confusion in JW since it still
adheres to including it last in the File menu as eXit. Even
though the File menu can be "popped" by <alt>f typing x at
that point doesn't take you to the "Do you want to close?"
dialog, if you invoke eXit and just close the dialog, it exits
anyway. If you really don't intend it you have to hit the
Cancel button.
All this UI stuff is fraught with sticky issues...
The above is just odd behavior, but here is a bug report for
the current Mac beta.
---- j beta bug report ----
Command(apple)q quits J just fine (no silly dialog) - but
it is incorrectly listed in the "Window" menu as a shortcut
for "Forms" -- if you try being a literalist and use
Comand(apple)Q (i.e. upper case q) then you get a Mac dialog
asking if you want to quit all applications and log out ...
Further, it starts a 2 minute timer to do that for you!
- joey
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