Mac uses a fourth modifier, typically unused for Windows: the Command, which is mapped to Java as META.
http://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/beta/2006-June/001238.html Command is for common commands: Cmd+N (New), Cmd+O, (Open), Cmd+C (Copy), etc. Control is typically for application commands, except some combinations for system commands, typically with Cmd, but also by itself, like Ctrl+F2 (Menu), Ctrl+F3 (Dock). http://guides.macrumors.com/Keyboard_shortcuts However, adding this fourth modifier you allow both combinations: Ctrl+W (J Run Window), Cmd+W (Close window) Ctrl+Q (J Froms), Cmd+Q (Quit) Currently both modifiers are mapped to the same action. This may be complicated for this release, because it involves changes in many places: both engines and scripts. And the clashes are only in a couple of places. --- Eric Iverson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Windows has an informal, but useful distinction between the alt key for > system level shortcuts and ctrl for application shortcuts. Mac has taken > command+q from the app. What others has it taken? > > You can fix this for yourself with > Edit|Configure|Shortcuts|Ctrl+Q|Modify. You could set it to none or to > an unused one. There aren't many available (H I U (curious that) and > some function keys). > > We could provide a different one for a default mac install, but I > hesitate to guess what it should be and welcome suggestions. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joey K Tuttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Beta forum" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 12:59 PM > Subject: RE: [Jbeta] mousewheel > > > > At 11:22 -0400 2006/08/21, Miller, Raul D wrote: > >>Joey K Tuttle wrote: > >>> I must say I find it remarkable that Windows users would > >>> want the single click - in my use of J, when I focus a pane > >>> I usually want to type input. > >> > >>Windows offers a variety of mechanisms for brining a window > >>into focus in addition to "click in the window". > >>For that matter, you can configure Windows to use the unix-ish > >>convention where "mouse over window" focuses the window with > >>no click being necessary. Not all windows applications > >>behave well with windows configured this way (Visual Studio > >>2003 comes to mind), but most do. Anyways, with windows > >>configured this way, you can focus on the J window with zero > >>clicks and clicking in the window brings the window to the top > >>and positions the cursor. > >> > >>I suppose it's all a matter of what you're used to. > >> > > > > > > I certainly agree with that last statement. I also under > > stand that P in PC stands for Personal and that it is a > > tradition for people to "customize behavior". Seems there > > are no good conventions that have "universal agreement"... > > > > I'm reminded of (very) early days of PC development at IPSA > > when a programmer insisted that "Quit" had no business in a > > "File" menu - so he made a top level menu item "Quit" - during > > a demo, I told him he had to put it at the bottom of the "File" > > menu and in his frustration he demonstrated one reason for > > that by accidentally exiting his demo (this was pre-windows)... > > > > It was (pre-OSX) Mac conventions that dictated "Quit" behavior > > (recall that these preceeded the first versions of Windows), > > but in OSX, there is a special menu item, leftmost in the > > bar that has the Quit (command Q) in it, removing it from the > > file menu. This causes a little confusion in JW since it still > > adheres to including it last in the File menu as eXit. Even > > though the File menu can be "popped" by <alt>f typing x at > > that point doesn't take you to the "Do you want to close?" > > dialog, if you invoke eXit and just close the dialog, it exits > > anyway. If you really don't intend it you have to hit the > > Cancel button. > > > > All this UI stuff is fraught with sticky issues... > > > > The above is just odd behavior, but here is a bug report for > > the current Mac beta. > > > > ---- j beta bug report ---- > > > > Command(apple)q quits J just fine (no silly dialog) - but > > it is incorrectly listed in the "Window" menu as a shortcut > > for "Forms" -- if you try being a literalist and use > > Comand(apple)Q (i.e. upper case q) then you get a Mac dialog > > asking if you want to quit all applications and log out ... > > Further, it starts a 2 minute timer to do that for you! > > > > - joey > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
