bin vs sh / chmod
The installer suffix is arbitrary. Would sh suffix would better that bin?
Sun Java used bin so that is what I used. Would sh be less confusing on the
Mac? What about on Linux?
Now that I have done the chmod +x at the web site I am curious if anyone can
download to Unix and run it without requiring the local chmod +x. Is there a
better way to set things up?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joey K Tuttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Beta forum" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Jbeta] test
OK, started over (with even a little more thought to what
I was doing...)
I still had to do a chmod +x The .bin file that Safari
says is the link gets changed to a .sh file when it lands
on my desktop. Maybe this takes place as Safari warns me
that it is an executable I'm trying to download and I say
OK...
Well, I guess the shell script install is a step up from
the previous reality, and considering that you want to keep
Mac and Linux similar -- I suppose it is OK. But other
program development applications (and programming editors
like TextWrangler (a GREAT and FREE editor) and BBedit
are really slick to install. I keep wanting to work on
a closer development link between TextWrangler and/or BBedit
and j development - clearly with a little work it could be
very slick and perhaps a little like emacs in Linux. Anyway,
that is something to work on and not complain about.
The bit about my terminal disappearing being related to the
fact that I sourced the file is clearly the source of my
(incorrect) complaint about exiting - thanks to Raul for the
reminder about that.
Actually, the default install path ~/jsoftware/j602 is not
as "offensive" as just ~/j602... Not sure why I feel that
way, but probably mostly because in my location of choice
(/usr/local/bin/) I have several j's (back to j502 on my
linux system) with your new default, I'm happy/proud to
see jsofware with same status as Movies, Music, Pictures,
and Applications -- but it would be more "conventional"
if it were in Applications (and installed by dragging the
bundle there from a mounted .dmg file)
When I did a complete default install, things worked as
advertised, either by pasting jconsole or jwd into a terminal
session - or by clicking on the .app file from finder. That
is quite nice - but again, the .app file would seem more
"normal" in the Applications folder...
Complaint - I notice that the "Do you want to close" dialog
is back when I hit CMD q in a jwd session. I hadn't noticed
before that the key shortcut (CMD q) doesn't appear in the
j601 file menu, but it does work correctly and ends immediately.
- joey
At 20:24 -0400 2007/09/28, Eric Iverson wrote:
re: chmod required. I have made a change and wonder if you could try this
again. That is, remove everthing and start over and do the download again.
This time you may not require the chmod or you may simply run into other
problems (downloading a file that is executable).
Does the shell script installer really feel so much more ancient than the
previous tar/sudo/etc steps?
What would you recommend instead? I know there are options on the Mac, but
I don't think there are easy options on Linux and at least for now I want
to keep them the same. J is a program developers tool, not and end user
app. If someone provided a complete and easy installer customized for the
Mac that was dead easy for us to use I might take a look.
I know that Java distributes as a bin shell script for Linux and Mac. They
also support other formats such as rpm and something Mac specific but I
don't think we can get into packaging options. I kind of like the openness
of the shell script.
The default location is ~/jsoftware/j602 not ~/j602 but I guess you would
consider that to be even more obtrusive.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joey K Tuttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Beta forum" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Jbeta] test
At 18:19 -0400 2007/09/28, Eric Iverson wrote:
J602 betas are available.
First comment about install in OS 10.4.10 --
Strange/weird - (compared to any other application I've seen)
chmod +x was indeed required. Or alternatively, "sourced" as -
iMg5:~/Desktop jkt$ . ./j602abeta_mac_powerpc.bin.sh
Strange to be in a /bin/sh dialog - feels so "last century..."
Nice that I can direct to install someplace less intrusive than
~/j602 (thanks for that)
Interesting changes in profile.ijs (I haven't searched for
more information about multi-user installations - but that
sounds promising.
More later I'm sure...
- joey
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