I am not subscribed to beta, that I know of, but still getting beta msg ...all discussion should take > > place in the beta forum.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eric Iverson Sent: Wednesday, 24 March 2010 11:29 To: Beta forum Subject: Re: [Jbeta] [Jprogramming] j701abeta Both j.exe and j.jar will be available with j701. I can't promise no work to migrate, but it should not be too bad. But new development is unlikely. On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Henry Rich <[email protected]> wrote: > I can tell you for sure that at least one user is going to cry over the > fading of jexe. For some applications I just can't let it go. > > For my trading application, I worry about the responsiveness of a > browser. Firefox consumes vast amounts of memory and seems to run the > CPU usage up to 100% for up to 10 minutes (!!) after a tab is deleted, > depending on what the page was. In general, trying to share a browser > with anything else is fraught with peril. > > Another large application I have deployed is a tournament-management > system for highschool quiz tournaments. This is a place where novice > users have to be protected from all possible mistakes, and where hitting > the Back button could be a disaster. jexe lets me put up forms that > have complete control of the system. I'm not sure how I would do that > safely under a browser; and again, accurate timing is vital, and I don't > know how I can manage that either. > > On the other hand, the new verb-conjugation game we are working on is a > natural browser/server application. So I'd say bring on the new > interface, but don't drop support on jexe. Maybe it won't be enhanced, > but it should be supported on future versions of Windows. > > Henry Rich > > Eric Iverson wrote: > > Thanks for the feedback. Your suggestions warrant investigation. The key > > point is that with the power of html/css/javascript everything you > suggest > > (and too much more) is easy to do. > > > > Although the eventual usability of jfile is very important, I suggest > that > > we take it as a given that it can and will be done. For now it might be > > better to focus on bigger issues. Is this a fruitful direction? Are users > > going to cry over the fading of j.exe? Are J users going to embrace > enough > > html/css/javascript to make there own GUI applications? Have browser > > standards converged enough that this route provides very good > > portability. Etc. > > > > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Sherlock, Ric < > [email protected]>wrote: > > > >>> From: Eric Iverson > >> > > >>> The official J701 beta program starts now. > >>> > >>> See the beta page at the http://www.jsoftware.com > >>> (Systems > Download and then on the right Other Versions > Beta) > >>> > >>> This announcement to programming, but all discussion should take place > >>> in the beta forum. > >> 32-bit Windows version installs fine. > >> The ability to display inline plots (SVG & PDF) in the log is a nice > taste > >> of things to come. > >> > >> The functionality of the jfile window is a nice improvement. It is much > >> easier to navigate using the keyboard and takes fewer "clicks" to get > things > >> done. > >> > >> Some more work formatting the jfile window will help convey the function > of > >> the various bits. > >> * the currently selected file/folder should be more prominent and a > >> mouse-over tool tip could provide some feedback on what it is. > >> * The "buttons" (links that fire the goaction verb) should be > >> differentiated from "shortcuts" (links that fire the gosh, gofo or gofi > >> verbs). The former could be formatted to look like buttons. > >> * the functionality of the "new_name" button might be clearer if it was > >> called "rename_to" > >> * IMO it would be more natural for the ".." link to appear as the first > >> item in the listing of the current folder, rather than as part of the > list > >> of shortcuts. > >> > >> * It seems to me that it would be useful to group the various distinct > >> parts of the page in <div> tags to aid with CSS formatting. > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2765 - Release Date: 03/23/10 18:33:00 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
