>From a new user's point of view, I imagine the "copy profilex_template.ijs to >profilex.ijs and edit to suit" approach isn't exactly the pinnacle of >user-friendliness.
The thing it really has going for it IMO was that you only have to get it right once. There is no need to revisit it each time you reinstall J. If the need to reinstall J becomes less frequent, then remembering (how) to configure profile.ijs is likely to be more problematic when it is required. > From: Don Guinn > Sent: Friday, 11 June 2010 07:55 > > What's so difficult about having profilex? Seems pretty simple to me. > > On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Eric Iverson > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > There is some chance profilex will be resurrected and Chris and I > will be > > discusing this. I suggest relaxing and waiting to see what happens in > the > > next beta release. > > > > On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Joey K Tuttle <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > In earlier systems, I did hack profile.ijs to load my personal > > > profile (not adding anything to profile.ijs other than the link). > > > This was a pain because moving from j501b to j502a then j503bbeta, > > > j503cbeta, j503ebeta, finally to j503a, then j504 then j601 and so > > > forth required that I look at and modify profile.ijs each time... > > > > > > I was very happy when j602 introduced profilex.ijs and I could stop > > > having the tedium of analyzing then hacking the system profile.ijs. > > > Now it seems like my happiness only lasted one release.... (unless > > > there is an official way to set paths for things like j701-user). > > > > > > I too am for minimizing complexity, but loosing profilex.ijs seems > > > like a step in the wrong direction for that goal... > > > > > > > > > At 12:15 +1200 2010/06/10, Sherlock, Ric wrote: > > > > > From: Joey K Tuttle > > > >> Sent: Thursday, 10 June 2010 07:15 > > > >> > > > >> On the negative side, jconsole doesn't work (the way I want it > to) > > > >> out of the box. My problem has to do with profile.ijs - > > > >> > > > >> The previous mechanism of profilex.ijs as derived from > > > >> profilex_template.ijs seems to have been abandoned. This has > two > > > >> damaging effects on my normal setup in OSX - one is the ability > to > > > >> have the Jxxx-user directory located in Documents rather than > at my > > > >> user root (I like to avoid clutter!) > > > >> > > > >> The other is bringing in my ancient profile - the profile.ijs > seems > > > >> to be saying that startup.ijs is the tool, and I guess that was > > > >> available before along with profilex.ijs, but I never used it. > This > > > >> is an issue in both OSX and Linux. > > > >> > > > >> I don't mind adapting, but hope that things will stabilize so > that > > > >> updating j doesn't cause the environment to break... By the > way, my > > > >> old profile.ijs stuff is also missing, of course, in the > browser > > > >> session and the j701-user directory is plopped into user > root.... I > > > >> think that the move in j602 to avoid the need for hacking > profile.ijs > > > >> was a good one - is there a reason for abandoning profilex.ijs > ?? > > > >> > > > >> What is the recommended way to get the previous behaviors in > > jconsole? > > > > > > > >With regards profile.ijs, profilex_template.ijs, profilex.ijs: > > > >I think the thinking behind the removal of profilex.ijs goes > > > >something like this: > > > > > > > >Because j701 will use JAL to do much more of its updating than in > > > >previous versions, users won't be reinstalling their J > installations > > > >as much and therefore it is not so important to have a mechanism > for > > > >retaining system folder configurations between installs. It is > > > >therefore possible to removing the complexity of profilex.ijs with > > > >little impact. If you want to customize the location of your > system > > > >folders you would now do so directly in profile.ijs. > > > > > > > >I've reserved judgement for the time being - I'm all for reduced > > > >complexity, but I liked the robustness that profilex.ijs provided. > > > > > > > >With regards to where to put your other "starting configuration > > > >stuff", I think that you are correct that the intention is for you > > > >not to put anything in profile(x).ijs that isn't to do with > setting > > > >paths to system folders. As you surmise "other stuff" should be in > > > >~config/startup.ijs. > > > > > > > >For j602 jconsole loaded the startup file > > > >"~config/startup_console.ijs" if it was present, while jwd loaded > > > >"~config/startup.ijs". In the current j701 beta I think that all > > > >front ends are presently loading ~config/startup.ijs > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---- > > > >For information about J forums see > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > > For information about J forums see > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > For information about J forums see > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
