You are right. The profile setting of ~help doesn't make sense in J7 scheme. I'll see what can be done to sort this out. In practice if the user is using JHS, they get to help with links from the menu help item and ~help doesn't matter. But ~help should not be set the way it is currently.
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Don Guinn <[email protected]> wrote: > I apologize for being so terse before. I think it is important that the > basic J installation include full help. That is one of the things that a > new > user will probably try very early. And they will probably need to read help > to learn how to run pacman to get everything else. Why not use the help on > JSoftware site until help is installed locally? > > My confusion on profile.ijs - Since pacman does not update profile.ijs, > then > profilex.ijs should no longer be needed. I was a little confused by the > comments in it stating that profile.ijs is not included in the > distribution, > yet it is for J7. Is profilex.ijs just a relic from J6 that needs to be > removed? > > On help. I don't understand why profile.ijs sets help to install,'/help' > instead of addons,'/docs/help' as that is where the help files are put by > pacman. Then if htmlhelp in stdlib.ijs were changed to something like: > > htmlhelp=: 3 : 0 > if. #dir f=.jpath '~help' > do. browse 'file://',f,'/',y > else. browse 'http://www.jsoftware.com/docs/help701/',y > end. > ) > > Until help is installed help requests would go to the JSoftware site for > the > help files. This would mean that help would work before the pacman update > installing help files is done. > > On the browser. I don't have firefox. Yet base.cfg sets firefox as the > browser to use. Shouldn't base.cfg check to see if the firefox file exists, > then, if not, set it to 'c:/program files/Internet Explorer/iexplore.exe'? > Or go to a little trouble to determine what the default browser is. Along > with that, I found the verb dfltbrowser in stdlib.ijs which seems to do > things similar to the code in base.cfg, but not the same. Seems strange, > but > I haven't spent much time looking at this yet. > > I see that things are quite different between jgtk and jfe. So maybe this > is > not really a problem as a new user will probably use jfe jal to get the > jgtk. > > Just now beginning to get some time to really dig into J7. Thanks for a > great and most interesting tool. > > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Eric Iverson <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > Not sure on all your comments. But profile.ijs and profilex.ijs are both > > properly in bin from an installer. They are not updated by a pacman > stdlib > > update. > > > > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Don Guinn <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Looked at the j701abeta.exe and saw that it included in bin the file > > > profile.ijs. Not supposed to be there. The profilex.ijs is minimal and > > > should be expanded to look more like the profile.ijs. > > > > > > Why assume that firefox is the browser? Why assume that the help is in > > > ~install/help? When help is installed by pacman it puts help in > > > ~addons/doc/help. Why not have help default to the jsoftware web site > > until > > > local help is installed? Set the browser for help to the default > browser > > > instead of firefox? > > > > > > The idea is that things should work when J is installed without > requiring > > > the user to fix things. profile.ijs should be removed from the install > > and > > > profilex.ijs needs to be a little smarter. > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:00 AM, jerome fontaine < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > it works on google-cr > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > try. > > > > if. IFUNIX do. > > > > NB. gmail bill lam 2!:1 cmd, ((0=nox)*.(1 e. 'iceweasel' E. > > > browser)+.(1 > > > > e. 'firefox' E. browser))#' &' > > > > 2!:1 cmd, (0=nox)#' &' > > > > else. > > > > fork_jtask_ cmd > > > > end. > > > > -------------------------------- > > > > for info > > > > > > > > html-browser galeon open a search when typing in the jijx: not usable > > > > > > > > I'have to test, one day > > > > firefox, iceweasel, icecat, iceape, seamonkey, midori, chromiun, > > epiphany > > > > --------------------------- > > > > jer...@sony-usb-lmde ~/Bureau $ uname -a > > > > Linux sony-usb-LMDE 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Thu Nov 25 18:43:34 UTC 2010 > > i686 > > > > GNU/Linux > > > > > > > > it's a 8 Go usb key who runs my linux > > > > the internal disk sleeps > > > > I can use it on all the computers I have test, six now > > > > > > > > I can make tries like I need > > > > I have 6 bootable systems with j701 on 5 discs > > > > I began december the 16 2011 j701 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > 2010/12/20 bill lam <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > Thank you report this error, I only tested with firefox. > > > > > Edit file ~system/main/stdlib.ijs > > > > > change the line, (beware line wrapping) > > > > > 2!:1 cmd, ((0=nox)*.(1 e. 'iceweasel' E. browser)+.(1 e. 'firefox' > E. > > > > > browser))#' &' > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > 2!:1 cmd, (0=nox)#' &' > > > > > > > > > > save file and restart J gtkide to try again. > > > > > > > > > > Пнд, 20 Дек 2010, jerome fontaine писал(а): > > > > > > in fact, > > > > > > open help, > > > > > > but my jgtk froze, > > > > > > I have to close google-chrome to retrive the > > > > > > J window > > > > > > > > > > > > 2010/12/20 jerome fontaine <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, works, I have a lot to learn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > file:///home/jerome/j701/addons/docs/help/index.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open a file browser, > > > > > > > go to the directory > > > > > > > open the file with an editor, > > > > > > > copy, paste the good line, or type it > > > > > > > NB. to desactivate the wrong, > > > > > > > save the new file > > > > > > > stop j > > > > > > > rerun j > > > > > > > no problem for me, but not for everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2010/12/20 bill lam <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> addons/docs/help came from pacman. > > > > > > >> no need to copy files. > > > > > > >> edit the file ~bin/profile.ijs > > > > > > >> change the line > > > > > > >> help=. install,'/help' > > > > > > >> to > > > > > > >> help=. addons,'/docs/help' > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> save file and start J gtkide, help menu or F1 will point to > the > > > > > correct > > > > > > >> location. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Пнд, 20 Дек 2010, jerome fontaine писал(а): > > > > > > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > >> > thank you, help is where you say > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > /home/jerome/j701/addons/docs > > > > > > >> > 850 éléments, total 6,8 Mio > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > when does it come here? > > > > > > >> > install or pacman or ...? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > if I rename my help in help602 I have this: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > Page Web introuvable > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > Aucune page Web trouvée à l'adresse :* > > > > > > >> > file:///home/jerome/j701/help/dictionary/vocabul.htm* > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > I'll copy the good help to the good place, but why another > > way? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > done, it works whit some j701 title and 2011 date > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > and I need help > > > > > > >> > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > >> > what do you think of my how to > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > I am fIrench and it not easy to understand and to make j701 > > > works > > > > > the > > > > > > >> first > > > > > > >> > time > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > perhaps it is not the good place forit, but I don't know > > another > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > 2010/12/20 bill lam <[email protected]> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Вск, 19 Дек 2010, jerome fontaine писал(а): > > > > > > >> > > > 220 +++++++++ with nautilus copy ~/j602/help > > > > > > >> > > > 230 +++++++++ paste ~/j701 > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > help should already inside ~/addons/docs/help. It is > > > > > un-neccessary to > > > > > > >> copy > > > > > > >> > > help files from j602 > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > -- > > > > > > >> > > regards, > > > > > > >> > > ==================================================== > > > > > > >> > > GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24 > > > > > > >> > > gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3 > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > >> > > For information about J forums see > > > > > > >> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > >> > For information about J forums see > > > > > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> -- > > > > > > >> regards, > > > > > > >> ==================================================== > > > > > > >> GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24 > > > > > > >> gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3 > > > > > > >> > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > >> For information about J forums see > > > > > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > For information about J forums see > > > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > regards, > > > > > ==================================================== > > > > > GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24 > > > > > gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3 > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > For information about J forums see > > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > For information about J forums see > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
