Philip Meyer;513204 Wrote: > That is not a defacto standard. There is no standard relationship > between compilation tag and album artist tag. Most apps don't even have > a concept of compilations. Those that do, do not automatically make an > album a compilation when the album artist is some magic string.
come on, thats not what i was saying, what i said was: -"fine, but that ignores jims point, which is why i replied to begin with. if the AA tag is "Various Artists" its a comp most likely. go on ignoring that, (and the de facto standard of the marketplace)."- ...which was in response to you saying: -"1. If you do have a Compilation or Album Artist tag, auto setting of the album compilation tag won't happen, and the logic will be shortcut quickly."- so the point i was making was that if a comp has an AA tag = Various Artists then chances are 99% likely it is in fact a comp in the REAL world. i was not saying AT ALL that the app would know that or have concepts of comps, or that the comp tag/flag was set by that if it did have a concept of comps. i was saying that the USER would know that and understand that, by virtue of them having eyes and a brain in their head, which is why so many apps and services use the AA tag to label comps to begin with! (i mean, why do you think those apps / services use that string to begin with?) come on phil, stop being so SBS centric and SEE this side of the argument. the de facto standard, which does exist in the marketplace, is that comps (ie. comp cds/albums) ARE given AA tags, and usually a string that any user will realize is indicative of a comp, such as, but not limited to, "Various Artists" "VA" "Various" etc... thats what you are ignoring and pretending does not exist. what the app knows or doesn't know really is immaterial. and btw, why should SBS, alone, create a negative relationship between comp status and AA tags? especially one that contradicts the marketplace? Philip Meyer;513204 Wrote: > eg. If I set album artist = Various Artists, iTunes will not > automatically report that the album is a compilation. I have to set the > compilation tag for it to be a compilation. fine, but jim is saying, and i agree, that it would make sense to have SBS recognize certain strings, (user defineable and optional), to mean "this is a comp." Philip Meyer;513204 Wrote: > It's not crucial for SBS to know something is a compilation. It's how > groups an album up such that there is one album artist. If it didn't, > then it would have to have some other logic/guess as to whom the album > artist should be. if its not crucial for SBS to know something is a comp, and i agree its not, then why must an AA value be mandatorally assigned in the SBS DB for a comp that has no AA tags? if a comp has no AA tag, let it just have a null value. not much difference between one big null value SBS category, and one big "Various Artists" category. like i said, it would have use IF someone wanted a comps artists to populate the SBS artists list. Philip Meyer;513204 Wrote: > Yes, actually I do. It's no different to not having compilations, but > having all such albums tagged with an Album Artist. i.e. they get put > together somewhere. well to each his own of course, however i simply could not have my stuff arranged like that. i have somewhere over 3000 albums, and i'd guess at least 500 or more are real world comps. however, i don't simply leave them all without AA tags, b/c that would be chaos! so some say "Various Artists" some say "Various Artists - Irish" "Soundtrack (Film)" "Soundtrack (TV)" "Classical - Various Artists" on and on etc... and i do that not only b/c having AA tags on everything is the marketplace de facto standard, but so they don't all intermingle and mix into one giant unsorted messy category in SBS. now, i could get them to sort where i want, AND add a comp tag to them, if i cared for SBS the app itself to explicitly know something was a comp, but why bother? how would that benefit me? the only way i could see that benefitting me is if by doing so, when i went into the SBS category of "Various Artists" everything was also listed there, so i could see all comp=1 tagged stuff in one category at once. but that seems to be somewhat of a pointless duplication and just creates the one big jumbled mess of a generic sorting i was trying to avoid in the first place. Philip Meyer;513204 Wrote: > I'd prefer it if there was a Browse Compilations (instead of Browse > Artists > Various Artists), but that should be a front-end UI > presentation issue more than anything. It's how iTunes presents such > albums. Custom Browse plugin can provide this menu in SBS. > > I actually browse them usually via Browse Genres > [choose a genre] > > Various Artists, to find for example Rock Compilation albums. i.e. they > are not necessarily all stuck in one generic category - they work like > normal albums, but with an extra propery that allows them to be > separated out if wanted. i don't think i have any beef with that, except that i separately think the whole list of choices and presentation under "My Music" needs a complete redo anyway, and so continuing to develop whats there as is could impede such an initiative. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 & sbc (my home) / sbr (parent's home) - sbs 7.5b - win xp pro sp3 ie8 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 35k mp3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74700 _______________________________________________ beta mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
