Philip Meyer;513010 Wrote: > >you always say that > >bag tagging is on the user, not SBS, but here you aren't going to say > >that? why? > > > Absolutely - bad tagging should be fixed by correcting tags.
ok, so u now see there was no point in you asking what would happen if AA tags weren't consistent across all tracks on an album then, b/c either way its borked and on the user to fix. agreed. Philip Meyer;513010 Wrote: > If compilation tag is set, that always wins. no disagreement from me. Philip Meyer;513010 Wrote: > If no compilation tag is set, then if necessary to group tracks > together, it will set the comp flag such that there is one album artist > (Various Artists). If the answer is not what the user expects, they can > fix it via changing tags. That could be by adding an album artist tag, > or by adding a compilation tag, or by correcting artist contributors. > > It all hangs together perfectly logically as it is to me. sure, if SBS is the center of your universe. but don't fault me or jim or galileo for pointing out that simply isn't logical or true! you NEVER respond to the FACT that the two biggest tagging services, [AMG and Gracenote] and the three biggest apps, [itunes, WMP, winamp], ALL set an albumartist on EVERYTHING. the SBS paradigm is inherently flawed, as i've said for years now. its fighting the tide and it will NEVER turn it. why have a mandatory logic for a rare condition? first of all, when SBS assumes albumartist tags present means something isn't a comp its just bad design. its a bad assumption. ALL my tracks have AA tags, but some are indeed comps. and its not user error, its my choice, and also the choice of the BIG 5 i mentioned above to use AA tags everywhere. SBS should respect the de facto standard. second, assuming something is a comp just b/c you have an artist mismatch and no AA tags is also a dopey assumption. many CDs have artist mismatches on tracks and yet are definitely NOT comps. but regardless of if you agree with any of that, why retain as *mandatory* a logic that most people/apps defeat simply by virtue of having AA tags, whatever they may be? and why would anyone want ALL their comps in one big mess pile generically called "Various Artists" in SBS anyway? its just ridiculous. and then when you consider all the complexity of whats being discussed in this thread, VA logic slowing down scans, (which normally you trumpet as a major no no), and how you have all these values like "track artist" that have no one-for-one match in the files tags, i just shake my head and wonder why no one rethinks this thing from the bottom up? there is a better way. Philip Meyer;513010 Wrote: > There already is a way of turning off the automatic behaviour - set a > comp tag, or set album artist tag. The presence of either means that no > auto logic occurs. I don't really see the problem with that. b/c i should be able to simply turn it off. why MUST IT be mandatory? forcing me to defeat it is NOT the same thing, as i'll illustrate below. Philip Meyer;513010 Wrote: > Turning off auto compilation detection doesn't make sense to me - if > there's no album artist and varying artists on an album, what should it > then do? It would only not muck up for you because you have album > artist tags. pretty much everyone has AA tags, thats the main point, its obsolete already for most users. but you ask "what would/should happen if it were changed?" the way i see it, SBS does not need to know if something is a comp or not. it simply does not NEED to know. but if a user WANTED it to know, then set a positive comp tag. beyond that, lets say you had a multi artist CD. you could remove the AA tags from it IF you wanted to. and then at that point all the differing artists on the CD would appear in the main home->artists list instead of just the one AA tag it previously had. now, it may take some tinkering to fix home->albums to get this scenario working, but thats no reason not to do it. and besides, i think the whole home->_____ navigation system is dopey anyway, and needs its own complete rethink, and one should not point to it as a reason not to do the first thing. Philip Meyer;513010 Wrote: > It's a safeguard to ensure that an album has one album artist > contributor. Turning off the safeguard doesn't help anyone, I think; > just allows the library content to be wrong in a different way. wrong how? how would it be wrong? if a cd or single file even didn't have an album artist contributor, which is only a SBS DB concern, so what? make the null value mean something in that case if necessary. don't get hung up on home->artists and home->albums and home->whatever needing to work as is b/c they should be changed anyway. i should be able to browse via AA tags, or artist tags, or genres, or years, or titles... and set up that hierarchy on the fly without changing options or rescanning or whatever, and i should be able to toggle on and off artwork from ANYWHERE, which is insane that i can't now. but all thats a secondary issue... -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 & sbc (my home) / sbr (parent's home) - sbs 7.5b - win xp pro sp3 ie8 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 35k mp3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74700 _______________________________________________ beta mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
