Philip Meyer;601301 Wrote: > This one I have more trouble with, in that music isn't as simple to list > in a flat table. This is what confused me with your "one master list" > terminology. Artists, Albums, Songs, Genres, Years, Playlists are all > one-many relationships that make table-driven outputs like iTunes just > not work for me.
this is why i am floating the idea, feel free to improve it instead of deride it. the one thing i am sure of is that current implementation is not good enough, but as to a new implementation, i am all for suggestions and improvements to my ideas. obviously any kind of big redo like this would need some serious thought and some diagram-ing. i am not at that point yet, i merely am trying to illustrate the need for it. Philip Meyer;601301 Wrote: > On an album, songs may have different genres. So what genre is the > album considered to be? Sorting a list of albums by genre then becomes > silly. yes, genres are tricky, but i disagree that it would be silly to have an album listed under multiple genres. whats the problem with that? once you went into the album, you'd only see songs matching the genre. what i am trying to say is that i think starting a sort with genre would be fine. but i also do see how home>genres is unique, b/c it would be dynamic and also a ready made filter, and so my suggestion would have to accommodate that browsing method as well. certainly possible tho, and you should still be able to sort within a genre[s]. Philip Meyer;601301 Wrote: > iTunes and most other consumer apps don't support one-to-many > relationships, they just present lists of songs, where each attribute > has a single value. e.g. a song can have only one performer and only > one genre. If you do have more, they are ignored. e.g. maybe if you > use semi-colon separators, you see a single genre called "Pop;Rock", > and another single genre called "Rock;Pop". yes, this is a failing of winamp and many other apps, but i am not suggesting that SBS not support these relationships. i am saying SBS should merge the best of both worlds. Philip Meyer;601301 Wrote: > Albums maybe could be sorted by genre if there was some way of selecting > the genre to represent the album, otherwise an album would have one > arbitrary genre selected from the bunch of possibles, or the album > would be duplicated. duplicating an album is not always a problem. if you don't want an album to duplicate, then just pick it first in the sorting method. Philip Meyer;601301 Wrote: > eg. maybe you have 5 albums, when ordered by album, But if changing the > order to sort by genre, it shows 10 album rows, with each album > duplicated in the list if each album has two genres. thats what i would WANT to happen! Philip Meyer;601301 Wrote: > It's a lot more complex to sort out nicely to be simplistic enough for > casual users to instantly use. > > As an advanced user, okay, nice to be able to do. i would suggest that SBS come with only two default sort methods: 1. Artist (default, couldn't be deleted) 2. AA, year, album that would be easy for a casual user to figure out. then in settings, they could user define their own, delete any they didn't want, etc... Philip Meyer;601301 Wrote: > > > > the sorting methods could be user defined, and you could just cycle > > through them on any player. no having to go back to home to go in a > > different way, only for different subsets and user defined custom > > views.> > > > > > > > If the user wants a new sorting method, they still have to define it > > > somehow. i.e. navigate somewhere to configure it. Then you end up > > > with long lists of all possible sort orders, and the user has to cycle > > > through the list to find the right one? That's a horrible UI; a bit > > > like SB3 Now Playing display formats and visualisers, which I don't > > > like much.> > > > > > > > i think its a hell of a lot better than navigating to home this or > > home that and being stuck with only what SBS will do, which i've > > gone to lengths now to explain isn't good enough. > > > > you go from home to your view, and then in your view cycle sort > > method. it could be made to be done nicely and easily in any UI. > > > > > > Philip Meyer;601301 Wrote: > > > How would the user cycle through them on a player with an IR Remote, > > > with the Touch interface, through the CLI for other third-party > > > plugins/apps to use? There's a lot of detail to consider.> > > > > > > > yeah, there is, i didn't say otherwise. but its also totally > > doable. too bad logitech doesn't pay me to figure this out. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 & sbc (my home) / sbrec & ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.3b - win xp pro sp3 ie8 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 45k+ mp3 ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84475 _______________________________________________ beta mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
