Philip Meyer;601308 Wrote: > You are talking way over the top here. i am? by pointing out the facts? no, i don't think so.
Philip Meyer;601308 Wrote: > SBS doesn't get in the way of that at all. If people put AA tags on > their albums, everything will act just like any other (below-par) app. > They won't have any auto-detected compilations. exactly. i see you and others tell people all the time to delete their AA tags on comps. that advice is no good if they use WMP or winamp. if however they keep their AA tags, their music is NOT detected as comps by SBS, even though they are comps! and if the string is "Various Artists" the tracks are NOT displayed via home>artists as per bug 9523 SBS could be designed SMARTER, to handle all these situations better. Philip Meyer;601308 Wrote: > If people put compilation tags in their collection, then that tag will > be used and albums treated as such in the UI. and here you do exactly what i said you would, you'd suggest some workaround that for WMP or winamp users requires a 3rd app. BAD DESIGN. Philip Meyer;601308 Wrote: > If people don't put compilation tags or AA tags on, and they have > differing artists on an album, SBS quite nicely keeps the album tracks > grouped together on the album, instead of blowing it apart and making > many different versions of the album. I don't think that can be > considered ridiculous. Everyone should be happy - I don't see what > issue there can be to complain about. it isn't PEOPLE who do it, the apps do it by default, b/c the tagging sources they use provide it. all this happens in many cases without the user even being aware of it! thats the point! i have no beef with an optional VA auto-detection. my beef is in conflating AA tag presence with comp status. Philip Meyer;601308 Wrote: > It doesn't. If there is an AA tag, it doesn't use it to determine if > it's a comp. phil come on, work with me here... if SBS finds an AA tag then unless there is an explicit comp=1 tag as well, SBS will ALWAYS assume that whatever it is, isn't a comp. that is often NOT TRUE for WMP and winamp users, (among others). comps are given AA tags as a matter of standard practice by these apps. Philip Meyer;601308 Wrote: > I seem to recall that you were suggesting that it *SHOULD* do this, > which *would* be ridiculous - i.e. logic that says "if the album artist > is Various Artists, or Soundtrack, or ..., or ..., then make this a > compilation album." yeah, i just did that most recently in this thread, and i don't see how or why thats ridiculous? lets the user define a string to SBS it can recognize to say such and such is a comp, perfectly logical and better yet, a system that works with WMP and winamp ALWAYS putting AA tags on VA stuff. Philip Meyer;601308 Wrote: > It only auto-detects an album to be a compilation *IF* not enough tag > info is present to make a more informed decision. indeed. but it doesn't make an informed decision if it has an AA tag that happens to equal for example "Various Artists" that WMP or winamp made. Philip Meyer;601308 Wrote: > I do care, it's just that I don't see a problem. you didn't see one with bug 8001 either. Philip Meyer;601308 Wrote: > And there's hardly any other users posting that they have problems, > other than you who thinks that other users will have a problem, but > even you don't have the problem yourself. It's just weird that you > keep going on and on about it! nothing weird about it... i was the first to really push 8001 one too, and i never had that many people supporting me on that either, but now, today, not only is it implemented, but treating TPE2 as AA is the DEFAULT. look, silence is always the most likely result, b/c people do either figure out how to live with it, or just don't want to bother, whatever... Philip Meyer;601308 Wrote: > A user can have AA tags that are used the same in both apps. e.g. > AA=Soundtrack, if you like. Therefore in SBS, the albums would be > presented the same way. A user could additionally add a Compilation > tag to the album (and leave the AA=Soundtrack), and WMP would work the > same (ignore the Comp tag), and SBS would still use the AA, but in > addition also reflect that it's a compilation. This is optional, it's > wouldn't need it. Some people like to show all compilation albums, > some don't need to know that it's a compilation, but it doesn't have to > affect other apps. the point is that a WMP/winamp/etc user should be able to ID a comp to SBS without having to change their tags beyond what the app that created them did. feel free to disagree as i'm sure you will, but imo if SBS is going to go to such extraordinary lengths to accommodate itunes crap, (supports TCMP, integration, etc) they could tack on a string recognition for these guys. (and user defined string recognition is not that different from the current "guess tag formats" option, which serves wav users well) Philip Meyer;601308 Wrote: > If the (compilation) album didn't have an Album Artist in WMP, what > would happen? Okay it wouldn't be classified as a Compilation, because > it has no concept of compilations. I think it would show a list of > duplicated album titles, when you go to browse a list of albums. i have never had WMP rip an album without an AA tag. however, if WMP imports something without the tag, it tries to add it itself. if it can't do that for whatever reason, the results can be ugly. i'm not sure what that proves though? AA is the way it handles comps. it expects the user to recognize the AA string when they read it. Philip Meyer;601308 Wrote: > SBS has been intelligent when there's not enough info, to keep the album > tracks together as a collection. to a degree, yes... but as i've told you before, SBS calls ANYTHING with a mismatch (and lacking AA tags) a comp, and this is not always desireable, meaning that you have to AA tag it since you can't just turn off the VA auto detection, which i know YOU wouldn't like, but others might. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 & sbc (my home) / sbrec & ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.3b - win xp pro sp3 ie8 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 45k+ mp3 ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84475 _______________________________________________ beta mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
