Whoops, at some point I forgot to check and accidentally sent this to Bastien only. Below is our conversation so far.
Cheers! Patrick From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Bf-committers] Number input and Multi-touch trackpad scroll-to-zoom Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 20:48:37 +0100 Wow, really? With advanced mode it would still be possible to just start typing -3.14, so the only "regression" would be the muscle memory adaption of - to ctrl+- right? I haven't seen this discussion, but perhaps part of the frustration was because the invert key was now hidden? If that is the case, a tooltip might help with that I think? Anyone who was against this change care to weigh in? -Patrick Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 19:16:29 +0100 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] Number input and Multi-touch trackpad scroll-to-zoom Meh… Originally, there was only the advanced mode (old simple one being completely removed), but there was such a roaring I had to add back simple-mode-like feature, so that people could keep using XYZ/- etc. keys without ctrl by default... :/ So, eeeh… would be wary making advanced mode default again! On 21/03/2014 18:22, patrick boelens wrote: Alright, I'll write up a ticket for that after dinner. As for the message, right now this feature is completely hidden. Just thinking out loud here, but what if we did something like the following: - Start all numinputs in advanced mode (if applicable) - '-' and '/' simply add the oprators (characters) - Shift+- and Shift+/ invert of set the whole input to 1/N We could then have a simple (short) message like: "D: [2+5|] = 7 (7.0000) along global Y | Shift+Minus: Invert input, Shift+Slash: Divide(?) input" It wouldn't list all the features, but at least it would give an easy, comprehensive overview of the basic features for number input. Any thoughts? -Patrick Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 18:12:27 +0100 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] Number input and Multi-touch trackpad scroll-to-zoom Eeeeh… cannot confirm that issue (for me, once backspace has erased whole text, next press quit numinput, so you can drag again object with the mouse). So yes, maybe a new ticket, with exact steps and small .blend file to reproduce the issue would be cool! :) As for help… well, thing is, it would made the message way too long. I could change e.g. [] for simple mode, {} for advanced one, small things like that, but going further will need some more general UI changes (as you said, messages like walk/fly mode or complex editmode tools are insane, not to mention they usually do not reflect changes in custom keymaps, etc.)! Cheers, Bastien On 21/03/2014 18:04, patrick boelens wrote: I just made a fresh build and it works like a charm! Thanks Bastien!! =D The only remaining bug I found is that pressing backspace in advanced mode when there are no characters left it keeps adding a constant number (0.5828). I.e.: (| = cursor. Backspace pressed after each line.) 2+2| 2+| 2| | 0.5828 1.1656 ... Would you like me to make a ticket based on this? On a different (usability) note, I believe the UI should probably mention both the mode it's currently in, as well available keys (similar to things like the Knife tool e.g.). I.e.: "D: [2+5|] = 7 (7.0000) along global Y | Advanced Input | Equals Key: Toggle input mode, Left/Right Arrow Keys: Move input cursor, ...". This would probably be part of the UI changes and illicit some debate though, so I'm guessing this one's probably worthy of a ticket either way. ;) On a sidenote, I hope I didn't sound too negative here; I'm truly happy with this functionality! =) Thanks! Patrick > Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 16:59:15 +0100 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > CC: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] Number input and Multi-touch trackpad scroll-to-zoom > > I did fix three different issues today (commit 7148c97796723)… ;) > > On 21/03/2014 16:47, patrick boelens wrote: > > Hey Bastien, > > > > Thanks for the heads-up; I totally missed that one! There are some bugs/ problems with it it seems (?), but that could very well just be my build. I'll try updating and submit a ticket if the problems persist. > > > > Cheers, > > Patrick > > > >> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 08:08:43 +0100 > >> From: [email protected] > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] Number input and Multi-touch trackpad scroll-to-zoom > >> > >> Hi Patrick, > >> > >> Regarding point 1), you might want to have a look at 2.70 release notes… > >> http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:Ref/Release_Notes/2.70/UI#Transform_Tools_Number_Input > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Bastien > >> > >> On 21/03/2014 02:57, patrick boelens wrote: > >>> Hi everyone! > >>> > >>> A long, long time ago I've made two changes to Blender that made my life easier. > >>> > >>> 1) Math in number input. This allowed me to input things like Z 360/32*7 > >>> to rotate an object on the Z-axis by 78.75 degrees; or 7 segments of a > >>> default UV Sphere for instance. This was also extremely useful for > >>> quickly manually placing duplicates in (part of) a circle. Just set the > >>> pivot point to the 3D cursor and type ctrl+D R Z 360/7 6 times to get it done! > >>> > >>> 2) Multi-touch scroll-to-zoom. Currently multi-touch enabled devices automatically > >>> default to two-finger-scroll for rotating and pinch for zooming. This patch added a toggle that set > >>> two-finger-scroll to zoom. > >>> > >>> The code for both these areas has > >>> changed significantly, so I've just stayed on 2.67 until now. However, I > >>> am beginning to miss being able to play with new all the new features, > >>> so I'd kind of like to upgrade now. ;) > >>> > >>> Before I spend a lot of > >>> time implementing a new haphazard hack however, I was wondering if > >>> perhaps a core dev would be willing to take a look at this. > >>> > >>> Number one is really more of a wishlist item to me, though it is probably a very useful tool to have, and would also fit well with the current system now that we can already type 4-1.3 for instance. > >>> > >>> Scroll-to-zoom, however, is an absolute deal-breaker for me. As I have a physical handicap that affects the stance of my hands, pinching is a very slow and difficult operation for me to perform. > >>> > >>> I've tried setting View3D's zoom to Mouse/Trackpad Rotate in the preferences, but this didn't work properly either. Perhaps these events could be separated into more generic commands that don't already imply/ affect a function? I.e.: > >>> > >>> Trackpad Rotate -> Trackpad Scroll > >>> Trackpad Zoom -> Trackpack Pinch > >>> > >>> Alright, this mail's long enough as-is methinks. Looking forward to a reply! > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Patrick > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Bf-committers mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Bf-committers mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bf-committers mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers > > > _______________________________________________ Bf-committers mailing list [email protected] http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
