On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 7:51 AM Ryan Inch via Bf-committers < bf-committers@blender.org> wrote:
> @Brecht > As to UI/UX design, add-ons use mostly Blender widgets, so their UIs are > almost 100% compatible with the rest of blender, and each add-on must be > reviewed before being included with Blender, and therefore, if their UX > was incompatible, they wouldn't be accepted. > Add-ons are reviewed once, mostly to see if they are useful and don't have significant design or implementation issues. The UI/UX is not reviewed the same way. Many of them would need to go through more iterations or get significant design changes to be accepted in core Blender. > This was written before your latest email, but I feel it still has many > good points. One of the things consistent in both emails is your desire > for add-ons to be moved to an online repository, however, there are > already several online repositories that feature add-ons (one of which > is the Blender Market) and it seems obvious to me that adding another > into the mix is far less valuable than bundling them with Blender. > For an official online repository that is integrated into Blender, users would not notice much difference compared to bundled add-ons. I think it would be valuable to have a way for more developers to share their add-ons in the same way. > Interestingly enough, add-ons are much better represented in the release > notes up until 2.92, although never in their own section, which I might > expect given the unique position they hold. > I don't see what changed? Add-ons have had their own page in the wiki release notes for a very long time, and in the blender.org release notes I only see an occasional mention of a new add-on. > Ryan > > On 2021-06-12 06:00 AM, bf-committers-requ...@blender.org wrote: > > Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 16:44:40 +0200 > > From: Dalai Felinto<da...@blender.org> > > To: bf-blender developers<bf-committers@blender.org> > > Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] Blender 2.93 Released! > > Message-ID: > > <CAKD4fWfWNmxCsvCJoJYMQ52n15MWhu1YpnsaNut_n= > qf-2h...@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > As for the "fancy" release notes. Not everything that is in the wiki > shows > > up there. > > > > The communication team makes a selection on what is worth showing, what > to > > simply mention, and what to leave only to the wiki. The "Blender Features > > in 5 minutes" and the reel editors also reverse the right to pick and > > choose what is highlighted. > > > > -Dalai- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Dalai Felinto -da...@blender.org -www.blender.org > > Blender Development Coordinator > > Buikslotermeerplein 161, 1025 ET Amsterdam, the Netherlands > > > > > > Op vr 11 jun. 2021 om 15:11 schreef Brecht Van Lommel via Bf-committers < > > bf-committers@blender.org>: > > > >> Personally, I wouldn't change this. > >> > >> Add-ons authors are credited in the add-on preferences, where you go to > >> enable the add-on. The fact that they are bundled rather than installed > >> from an online repository (which is what we should do eventually) makes > >> little practical difference I think. > >> > >> For the release notes, I don't think we should be putting much emphasis > on > >> add-ons that often have a UI/UX and design different than core Blender, > >> usually created by individuals without review. The freedom to do that > >> creates very useful functionality and leads to fast development, but I > >> wouldn't market that as part of Blender the product in the same way. > >> > >> The way I see it is that as an add-on author you get both the freedom > and > >> the responsibility for development, docs, and marketing. If anything we > >> should decouple such things more, rather than integrating them. > >> > >> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 6:07 AM Ryan Inch via Bf-committers < > >> bf-committers@blender.org> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Dalai, > >>> I'm not talking about an add-on in particular, I'm referring to add-ons > >>> in general. > >>> > >>> In regard to your first point, we are agreed that the credit gen script > >>> is skipping add-ons; however, from what you've shown me, it looks like > >>> it would be easy to support. So I'm wondering why it is that add-ons > >>> are being skipped and what can be done to correct it for the 2.93 > >> release? > >>> In regard to your second point, I am aware that it is the > responsibility > >>> of the developer to document changes in the wiki release notes, I do so > >>> for every release, and I thank you for your willingness to help with > any > >>> problems accessing the wiki. I was, however, referring to the fancier > >>> release notes [1] that are compiled from the wiki release notes, and > >>> that these have been lacking a section for add-ons recently. So, what > >>> is required to have an add-ons section added to the 'fancy' release > >> notes? > >>> Ryan > >>> > >>> [1]https://www.blender.org/download/releases/2-93/ > >>> > >>> On 2021-06-07 06:00 AM,bf-committers-requ...@blender.org wrote: > >>>> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 10:05:36 +0200 > >>>> From: Dalai Felinto<da...@blender.org> > >>>> To: bf-blender developers<bf-committers@blender.org> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] Blender 2.93 Released! > >>>> Message-ID: > >>>> <CAKD4fWcP41W8FFQW+5Tc5cAEwY= > >>> zavhavyzc5rws4jbbg1m...@mail.gmail.com> > >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >>>> > >>>> Hi Ryan, > >>>> Are you talking about an add-on in particular? There are two related > >> but > >>>> separate topics in your email: > >>>> > >>>> 1. Contributors credit > >>>> The script that generates the credits [1] is indeed be skipping the > >>> add-on > >>>> repositories. > >>>> > >>>> 2. Release notes > >>>> It is the responsibility of any developer that contributes code, to > >>>> document the changes and mention them in the (wiki) release notes [2]. > >> If > >>>> an add-on maintainer needs wiki access they can contact me directly > via > >>>> email or as dfelinto in blender.chat. > >>>> > >>>> [1] - > >>>> > >> > https://developer.blender.org/diffusion/BDT/browse/master/utils/credits_git_gen.py > >>>> [2] - > >> https://wiki.blender.org/wiki/Reference/Release_Notes/2.93/Add-ons > >>>> -Dalai- > >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> Dalai Felinto -da...@blender.org -www.blender.org > >>>> Blender Development Coordinator > >>>> Buikslotermeerplein 161, 1025 ET Amsterdam, the Netherlands > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Op za 5 jun. 2021 om 07:10 schreef Ryan Inch via Bf-committers < > >>>> bf-committers@blender.org>: > >>>> > >>>>> Congratulations on the release! Everything looks good, there seems > to > >>>>> be tons of great improvements, > >>>>> and the reels are quite impressive. > >>>>> > >>>>> However, I have noticed that Add-ons are treated differently in the > >>>>> release notes. Judging by the emails from the bf-extensions mailing > >>>>> list, many of the Add-ons bundled with Blender receive dozens of > >> updates > >>>>> between each release, but this hasn't lately been advertised in the > >>>>> release notes (aside from the occasional mention in @SouthernShotty's > >> 5 > >>>>> minute videos, very grateful to him for that), plus the > >>>>> authors/maintainers and their commits to these Add-ons don't seem to > >> be > >>>>> credited on the credits page[1]. Since the Add-ons are bundled with > >>>>> Blender, is there a reason that they aren't credited at release? > >>>>> > >>>>> If the reason for this is, in part, that authors/maintainers aren't > >>>>> adding their changes to the wiki version of the > >>>>> release notes in time, then I would like to inquire as to when the > >>>>> cutoff for editing the wiki is to make it into the > >>>>> release notes, or what else could be done to have them included? > >>>>> > >>>>> Ryan Inch (Imaginer) > >>>>> Developer of the Collection Manager Add-on. > >>>>> > >>>>> [1]https://www.blender.org/about/credits/ > >>>>> > >>>>> On 2021-06-03 06:00 AM,bf-committers-requ...@blender.org wrote: > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> Message: 1 > >>>>>> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 19:18:32 +0200 > >>>>>> From: Dalai Felinto<da...@blender.org> > >>>>>> To: bf-blender developers<bf-committers@blender.org> > >>>>>> Subject: [Bf-committers] Blender 2.93 Released! > >>>>>> Message-ID: > >>>>>> < > >>>>> cakd4fwfyvsxy6ftazypgudjtnnxow1ftewsza4j5kbuwjkn...@mail.gmail.com> > >>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>> Blender 2.93 LTS is officially released. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The release notes are here: > >>>>>> https://www.blender.org/download/releases/2-93/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You can check two great videos with everything 2.93 related: > >>>>>> * Reel:https://youtu.be/fxNlpQYRz7s > >>>>>> * Features:https://youtu.be/mnnMFJ3iWH0 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Congratulations everyone! > >>>>>> -Dalai- > >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> Dalai Felinto -da...@blender.org -www.blender.org > >>>>>> Blender Development Coordinator > >>>>>> Buikslotermeerplein 161, 1025 ET Amsterdam, the Netherlands > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Bf-committers mailing list > >>>>> Bf-committers@blender.org > >>>>> https://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers > >>>>> > >>>> ------------------------------ > >>>> > >>>> Subject: Digest Footer > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Bf-committers mailing list > >>>> Bf-committers@blender.org > >>>> https://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------ > >>>> > >>>> End of Bf-committers Digest, Vol 946, Issue 1 > >>>> ********************************************* > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Bf-committers mailing list > >>> Bf-committers@blender.org > >>> https://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Bf-committers mailing list > >> Bf-committers@blender.org > >> https://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers > >> > > ------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bf-committers mailing list > > Bf-committers@blender.org > > https://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of Bf-committers Digest, Vol 950, Issue 1 > > ********************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > Bf-committers mailing list > Bf-committers@blender.org > List details, subscription details or unsubscribe: > https://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers > _______________________________________________ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org List details, subscription details or unsubscribe: https://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers