On 2008-03-24, at 11:29 AM, Christiaan Hofman wrote: > > On 24 Mar 2008, at 7:16 PM, James Howison wrote: > >> >> On Mar 24, 2008, at 1:44 PM, Adam M. Goldstein wrote: >>> >>> On Mar 24, 2008, at 1:29 PM, Daniele Pontillo wrote: >>>> Hmm, >>>> and what about all the scientific publishers? >>>> In my case, there are thousands of medical journals that could >>>> benefit >>>> from this issue. >>>> Dan >>>> >>> >>> I think this is what Christiaan means by "suppliers of PDFs," that >>> is, >>> the publishers on on-line articles and the like. >>> >>> If publishers in medicine aren't doing this, it's going to be a >>> long, >>> long time before anyone else does. Many of the important innovations >>> in on-line databases of articles and other publications come from >>> the >>> medical world, because that's where the money is; they have better >>> funding than other sciences, and certainly, than humanities. >> >> After I babbled about this for ages, without actually taking action >> [1], I got a few calls from publishers interested in doing it, >> including Nature. The stumbling blocks at the time were: >> >> a) Code to insert the XMP elements into the PDF (although I think >> they >> could have licensed Adobe's stuff easily enough) > > That's right, it requires you to have Acrobat Pro. IMHO, that > requirement just kills XMP from ever to become useful.
There's a Java library to do it which JabRef uses; other implementations haven't been coded yet. I don't know if the Java implementation is hacked in or follows some official spec. >> b) A universal format for citation metadata to actually insert into >> the file. AFAIK this still doesn't exist, they all have their >> limitations. The feeling was that BibTeX was too limited field-wise, >> Endnote was proprietary and hard for others to use. MODS was >> considered to be coming close, but I haven't tracked things since >> then. > > That was my point. Without an agreed upon standard there is no way to > pass info in a reliable way, and nobody will do it. Endnote's import format (from Refer) isn't too awful, actually, but like BibTeX, is showing its age. MODS XML looks promising, but implementations are sparse. >> I think that publishers would be happy to insert machine-readable >> metadata into their PDFs, if it was relatively easy to do and it was >> reliable for a range of tools to extract. >> > > And that indeed cannot be done. Thanks to Adobe. Well, it's possible, but currently too much of a PITA. -AHM > Christiaan > >> --J >> >> [1]: http://freelancepropaganda.com/themp/ >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Bibdesk-users mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Bibdesk-users mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Bibdesk-users mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
