[Pardon the "reply-first" format; I'm just following the form of the existing 
thread...]

Property damage is not violence. If it happens within the three-foot cushion to which 
one is legally entitled, I hesitate even to call it property damage. If it is, it is 
in fact imposed/inflicted by the person violating the three-foot cushion law (i.e. 
self-imposed).

If indeed "encounters on the road are not teachable acts", then, arguably, enforcement 
of traffic laws is futile. I contend that, like with cat behavior, often the most 
_effective_ time to educate a scofflaw is on the heels of the violation. Of course, as 
humans, we each learn best by different methods. For some the distance of the abstract 
is more effective; for others it's more useful to drive home a point by example.
 
> From: Joseph King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Inciting others to violence are we, Alex?
> 
> I'm sure none of us think so but what if an AAA member took Alex to court 
> over his implication that we should be striking vehicles?  The full context 
> of his comments are only truly understood if you've been reading bikies for 
> awhile.  While I don't support what was reportedly said on that radio 
> station, I still have no doubt that determining whether they were comments 
> that would incite violence or not cannot be determined by a report on the 
> Internet.
> 
> Personally, I have always found dark humor relating to revenge on motor 
> vehicles very liberating and I know why this is.  The fact is we are under 
> threat every day.  It is almost impossible to ride in and out of Madison 
> without seeing at least one imprudent act that puts the safety of others in 
> jeopardy (motorists and cyclists).  Mostly these are thoughtless acts that 
> would require a second coincident lapse for the consequences of the danger 
> to be realized.  The fact is too many motorists are simply impatient with 
> anything and everything that is in their way.
> 
> More importantly for me, however, is to remember what an authority on 
> bicycling once told me -- "encounters on the road are not teachable 
> moments."  It took me a while to learn but my rides are much more pleasant 
> now that I am able to let these discourteous, ignorant, dangerous, or even 
> hostile acts roll off my back.  Although in the later case, I will also 
> call the police.
> 
> --joe
> (Forward posting and proud of it.  If you need the context, you know where 
> it is and if you don't, it's not in the way...)
> 
> At 11:01 AM 7/24/2003 -0500, Alex Turner wrote:
> >If motorized vehicles came within the three foot distance, he'd pock them 
> >down the side.  Vehicles making a right turn without looking would be fair 
> >game for this self-defense option.  Perhaps bike-shops could sell the 
> >devices.  Here's one that's commercially available . . .
> 
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Paul T. O'Leary
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Madison, WI USA

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