> At 02:28 PM 07/23/2003 -0400, Bob Paolino wrote:
> Right on red in general is a reasonable thing, [snip]
>
> You make some good points, Bob, but the one above assumes that one actually
> stops first, which is often not the case. a driver looking left for a break
My observations are usually (not ALWAYS, but usually) is that people do generally stop
on "no right on red" signs whether 24 hours or specific times. If we need that at
more intersections, do it. I'll stand by the baby and bathwater cliche on this issue.
Your comment that pollution from idling cars is also used as a justification for
widening highways is irrelevant to this discussion and does not discredit my
mentioning it as a (minor) factor for "right on red." It has nothing to do with the
road capacity issue. Road widening typically increases capacity for peak periods,
causing unneeded excess capacity for the other 20 hours of the day. With "no right on
red" it would actually increase idling cars waiting at intersections for the times and
places the restriction is necessary, because you'll have cars (and bikes) queued up
waiting to turn--and I could accept that where the need existed for the restriction.
What I was addressing was having a blanket prohibition and needlessly having people
waiting for lights to turn right at 9pm or whatever when there's no traffic (wheeled
or on foot) in sight for a block or more.
Chuck, we generally agree on a lot of the issues here, possibly with some difference
of degree. But I notice a common pattern between this and a previous exchange that we
had, and that's that you tend to proceed from a "guilty until proven innocent"
orientation and I'm more forgiving, willing to leave it less restricted except where
it is proven necessary to add additional restrictions.
Now go have a beer,
Bob Paolino
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