No one said "imprison" - read again. The concept is removing them from the 
highways by means other than imprisonment. A number of people on this list can 
testify that it is perfectly possible to live a full, complete and extremely 
mobile life without using a motor vehicle. We are fully aware that the 
Reagan/Thompson "job growth through planting prisons far and wide" policy would 
never succeed.  

The present system of allowing these people back on the highways without 
thorough rehabilitation is a major failure, as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Robert F. Nagel
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 11:45 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Bikies] Driver Identified


I've trolled this bikie list for a few months now, but this is my first
post.  I am a criminal defense lawyer.  The death of a bicyclist or a
pedestrian or even a motor vehicle driver or passenger is a tragedy, but
this tragedy is not mitigated by ranting and raving about "absurd leniency"
toward repeat offenders.  I represent repeat offenders and I've seen a lot
more absurd harshness in punishment than absurd leniency.  You're fighting a
losing battle trying to imprison every last drunk driver forever and ever.
Drunk driving penalties keep getting harsher and harsher all the time.  Does
that seem to be deterring drunk driving?  Apparently not sufficiently.
Meanwhile, our state budget is bled dry by the bloated corrections' budget.
Perhaps with not so harsh and costly punishment, there'd be more money for
your agency, DNR, and more money for safe bike paths and pedestrian
improvements, not to mention driver education, and alcohol treatment and
other sorts of proactive, prevention-oriented measures.

And if the moderator of this list-serve deems me to be an infidel and
banishes me, that's a risk I'm willing to take.


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Robert F. Nagel
Law Offices of Robert Nagel
634 W. Main St., Suite 201
Madison, WI  53703
608-255-1501 phone
608-255-1504 fax

www.nagel-law.com



 


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Schimpff, Jeff A
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:58 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Bikies] Driver Identified

Also an indication of the absurd leniency bestowed upon repeat offenders by
our court system.  One killer in the past several years had 12 previous OWI
charges.  This lack of respect for the public welfare endangers all
cyclists, pedestrians, and motorists, as well.  We need to remember this
whenever elected judgeships are open, and when those who appoint judges are
up for election.

Perhaps repeat traffic offenders need to be registered and treated like sex
offenders, but their housing should be located near a bus route so they can
traverse their communities without a motor vehicle.
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