Thanks, Mike for your constructive comments.  I appreciate that you care about 
the quality of life in Madison.

Mike

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---- "Michael D. Barrett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Thanks, Eric, for bringing this to the group and for the great 
> analysis. You're pretty much dead on. Shoup is a genius! It is good 
> to see this stuff happening.
> 
> >  I understand, but have no details, that Madison's Urban Design 
> >Commission is already considering quality controls.
> 
> Make that, *has been instituting* quality controls. Or at least *had* 
> been. It's the sort of thing that gets you thrown off of commissions 
> by "green" mayors. (My old buddies on UDC reassure me they are 
> continuing to push, as they now call them, "The MB Rules" on parking 
> and pedestrian connectivity & bike amenities though!)
> 
> I'm glad Gruber is doing it. I just hope it isn't his undoing! Tim 
> has been a very astute learner of all this New Urbanist stuff. His 
> constituents on this list should thank him for this work.
> 
> UDC--as a group--was really doing yeoman work on parking standards. 
> They were far, far ahead of even the enviro groups around here. 
> Midwest Environmental Advocates recently put out a Big Box Store 
> design guide in which they suggested up to 6 parking stalls/1000 sf.! 
> UDC typically aimed for *no more than* 3 per 1000 even in big box 
> land; the result was generally right around that. Sometimes less, 
> sometimes more, but almost never more than 4. And of course, even 
> those numbers are ultimately quite high when you look at the actual 
> usage. As I keep saying, Google Earth any area of Madison built after 
> 1960, and note that in any one square block area, no more than 1/3 of 
> the parking is used (excluding car sales lots). And on street parking 
> isn't used at all.
> 
> >
> >
> >The Plan Commission on Monday asked staff to analyze the proposals 
> >and report back in a month.
> 
> That is fine, as far as it goes. With a few exceptions, Plan Dept 
> staff isn't exactly noted for being well-read in anything post, 
> +/-1970. So it would be good for folks to encourage their respective 
> alders to be visionary on this, and just go over the heads of staff 
> in the end.
> 
> And then there is this:
> 
> >
> >This will be a hard sell, probably, because people who hate freedom 
> >will object that relaxing government controls is somehow a 
> >totalitarian scheme to make everyone gay.
> 
> 
> BWHAAHAAHAAHAAAH! Exactly!
> 
> Thanks, again, Eric.
> -Mike
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